SBC and the BWA

Just because we work with someone else toward a tightly defined set of common goals does not make us responsible for their sin, their lack of faith or their opinions.

This "guilt by association" argument was used against Jesus and has been used to injure, malign and destroy people for hundreds of years. The only value of this kind of thinking is that it makes the one who holds it feel more self-righteous. Unfortunately, the self-righteousness numbs that person to God.

 

Is what he said true ? Did bishop Tutu speak at the BWA in '88 ?

"In 1999, Baptist World Alliance General Secretary Denton Lotz urged Baptists to accept the Charismatic Movement. He said, "We need to get over our hang-up of the use of the word 'charismatic'..." He praised the Charismatic Movement for rediscovering "the power and work of the Holy Spirit." In reality, the Charismatic Movement preaches a false spirit that is not the Spirit of Truth of the Bible."

Is this staement accurate ?

"In September 2000, the Baptist World Alliance opened official dialogue with the Anglican Consultative Council to "foster common understanding between the two religious groups" and to see if they "could find common ground to work together in various aspects of the ministry." Evangelist Don Jasmin observes: "This is the same Anglican Church which is seeking reunion with the Roman Catholic Church and whose leadership has already agreed to accept the primacy of the Pope" (Fundamentalist Digest, March-April 2001, p. 12)."

Did this happen ?

"Brutal Marxist dictator Fidel Castro, who has persecuted and restricted the churches of Jesus Christ in Cuba for decades, was a speaker at the Baptist World Alliance meeting in July 2000."

This is crazy. Why would they let him speak ?

"The unscriptural ecumenical philosophy of the Baptist World Alliance is illustrated by that of its member body the American Baptist Convention. An ABC publication entitled "Oneness in Christ: American Baptists Are Ecumenical" leaves no doubt about their position. This publication was compiled and edited by the "Reverend" Martha Barr, former Assistant General Secretary and Ecumenical Officer of the ABC. "We American Baptists run the whole theological range -- fundamentalists, conservative orthodox, liberal ... Maybe it is partly because American Baptists are so inclusive that we affirm that we are ecumenical. ... We do not have creedal statements. We can worship and work with Episcopalian and Pentecostal, with Roman Catholic and Orthodox." "

I didn't see anyone answer Clint's question, nobody refuted any of his claims, nobody posted any mistakes he made, nobody put up any contrary evidence at all, the just like to slam brother Cloud. I suspect the reason people don't like him is because they have been blinded. He points out apostasy, it is his entire mission. I commend him for it.

I have met him, a few times, and found him to be very friendly. He likes sports, he knows a lot about music, and is passionate about fishing.

But he does make ecumenical religeous groups uncomfortable, don't he ?

 

Because they met in Havana, Cuba. BWA leaders were trying to open doors of opportunity for religious liberty in Cuba and privately met with Castro to discuss their concerns. I do not know what Castro spoke about, but it could have been anything from a welcome to the BWA to a speech about the nature of religion in Cuba. (I know someone who was supposed to go on that trip -- with the State Department's approval -- but cancelled at the last minute because of the tension because of the Elian Gonzalez controversy.

His "evidence" is irrelevent, even if it is all true. He makes it sound like the BWA condones every view held by persons who speak at the meetings, which is ridiculous.

I'm not especially ecumenical, but I don't care for the presupposition that association with someone makes you guilty of the same sin before God. It is patently unbiblical.

 

Clint, I think I know how you feel. I believe everyone has the right and duty to do as the Holy Spirit leads. Some time I wonder if alot of us are silence long enough to be lead!!!
Where the money went is why I had to leave the SBC in the late 60's. I didn't support the schools that our money was supporting along with other things.
With the above said, their are many SBC preachers and folks that I love what they have done for the Body of Christ.

 

In complete agreement here, Clint.
I will be looking at this thread to see if anyone posts any answers to the original question.

And a side note to Doctor Bob, it was a link from Brother Cloud's site that led me to this board

[ August 08, 2002, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: Mr. Curtis ]