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Good word! I appreciate you saying this!

 

Excellent post. Both sides are behaving like third grade spoiled brats. The first thing I would do is fire all those who are reponsible for starting the letter on one side, and shutting down Dr. White's loud mouth on the other.

What a price to pay, potentially destroying a denomination, and tearing up local churches over such a nonsensical issue. Where do these people come from?

 

If this stuff ever infects our local church, I might lose, but I would call for a vote to withdraw from the SBC. This has nothing to do with which side one is on.

 

I was raised SB, still have family & friends who are SB, I've seen this feud brewing for quite some time; and don't get me wrong, I'm NOT wishing a split upon you. I personally desire that we ALL could be more tolerant of one another. It seems the Baptists would 'declare' one another out of existence.

From my angle of observing here at this locale there seems to be more resentment from non-Cal towards Cals (among SBs I know) than vice versa.

I read the statement and it seems to me to correctly portray 'traditional SB doctrine' that I was taught growing up in a SB church.

 

Very good post. I hope this divisiveness dies down quickly and we can carry on with working together side by side allowing room for differences in the finer points of theology.

If this turns into a pitched battle the blood will be on the hands of leadership. This angst and division is not coming from the pews.

 

No, it is not coming from the pews. It is coming from immature leaders within the SBC and loud mouth radio commentators. It is not worthy of the Lord's work. Very good post.

 

"It's not coming from the pews" is right. I was at church today from about 8:30 am until about 2:30 pm. Not once did I hear SBC mentioned. Not during the casual conversation before/after Bible Study, Worship, and Fellowship. Nor, during those times, either.

 

I'm 100% convinced that the vast majority of the people in our pews and chairs on Sunday could care less about these idiotic controversies. They don't care about these things not because they are ignorant or have a shallow theology, but because they often understand the purpose of church better than the staff members.

As I've said in the other thread: this is a silly debate to waste time on for our convention. I believe we have strong biblicists on both sides here and also have passionate, missions oriented people on both sides. I also think we are big enough denominationally to share space and not disfellowship over this.

Humility is the utmost virtue here.

 

Bull's eye. It is almost comical to think of the word humility when thinking about those who wrote the letter, and the radio entertainer who is opposing the letter. There is no way the Lord is in two opposing self centered clowns trying to get the most attention. It almost reminds me of the Pharisees praying in the New Testement on the street corner with the eyes squinted open to see who was watching.

 

Calvinism aside, have any of you read these articles? They read like they were written by someone who has barely studied the bible. They are just a mismash of pitifully put together so called "doctrines". They don't even sound Baptist. It's very concerning to me that so many theologians signed it. Can anyone say apostasy?

 

You can, but I am not surprised by that.

 

I agree. But in my observations here, it does appear to me that there is one side which wants to try to shove its beliefs down the throats of the other, and when those on the other side cough them back up and out, they get accused of heresy and apostasy (see Amy G.'s post, for a prime example).

 

I'm not defending the document but I do know a couples of guys who have rather distinguished degrees did have a hand in crafting the document. These are men I respect theologically and academically because of their credentials.

I would challenge anyone saying its a poorly framed document to put together a better one.

As for the "apostasy" charge...now you're just being dramatic. It isn't apostasy. Frankly, I would defend most of what they are saying and take on anyone (head-to-head debate...like a steel cage match...yeah!) who says it is apostasy. If that is the charge...I'd say you don't know much about apostasy.

 

Oh, you are wrong. An apostate is anyone who doesn't believe like her.

 

AmyG's post was right on the money. If you look at the founders of the SBC as was posted in an earlier thread, you will see this letter is a falling away from the original intent of the founders. That is apostasy. denial of clear scripture is apostasy. Sorry you do not like it, but that is what it is.

Michael, you have gone off and started your own group-celtic-anabaptist-druid- communion. Whatever you call it. I am not sure you are being objective here. History is history. If these people want to leave as you have and invent their own group, let them go. For them to attack the Historic faith is not acceptable.
There is already reaction taking place nationwide. it is not a small controversy. It is small minded to think it is.
They made it public, now it is open for public scrutiny...including Dr.White, Al moehler, and any others who want to get involved.

Like here on the BB. as soon as someone takes a biblical stand, there are those who want to censor, or minimize the person rather than what was said.
Stick on point. Apostasy from the historic faith is real just like Korahs rebellion was real apostasy in real time.
Close your eyes if you want to. They went public, and now the response and correction are also public.:thumbs::thumbs:

 

who cares what the founders thought? They can be wrong just as the writers of this article was/is wrong. As an Arminian, I agree with Luke. We in the SBC don't need this sort of devicivenss. Surely there are better things to do than attack one another on what is absolutely a non-essential. Most in the pew Baptists don't care how anyone thinks the the Lord accomplished His work. They are just glad He did!! As we should be.

I can argue against Calvinism all day long, but in the END, I expect I'll be arguing the same points in heaven with the same people until Christ sets us all straight! We take these discussions much, much too far when we apply them to the salvation or lack thereof of another. We ought to know better!