Scholar Against Women Pastors

[JFox1]

Wayne Grudem contends that women being pastors is disobeying God's word and that God will lift His hand of protection on such women, erodes male leadership roles in families, and causes gender confusion in children.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/202/story_20219_1.html

I personally don't think families base their leadership roles on the pastor. Neither do the children base their gender roles on the pastor.

 

[xdisciplex]

I think Wayne is right. Women are women and men are men.
This is simply rebellion. Women want what men have. This reminds me of a rebellious child which wants exactly what it must not have.
Why can women not be satisfied with their role? Why do they want everything?

I would never go to a church with a female pastorette or whatever you call this.
Female pastors, gender-neural bibles.... this is becoming better and better.

 

[Amy.G]

I think Wayne is right. Women are women and men are men.
This is simply rebellion. Women want what men have. This reminds me of a rebellious child which wants exactly what it must not have.
Why can women not be satisfied with their role? Why do they want everything?

I would never go to a church with a female pastorette or whatever you call this.
Female pastors, gender-neural bibles.... this is becoming better and better.

That's funny! I like that word. I don't agree with women pastors either. And I'm a......woman!

 

[xdisciplex]

That's funny! I like that word. I don't agree with women pastors either. And I'm a......woman!

That's good. :thumbs:

But maybe this means you're not really a woman!?

 

[Helen]

I'm against female pastors for biblical reasons as well as common sense ones. But I do have a question:

If a female pastor is a pastorette, are her talks sermonettes?

sorry.....:laugh:

 

[xdisciplex]

Yes, probably.

But it won't take long and they will also complain about the "ette" because it's discriminating....

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

I can tell you that two of the best preachers I know are women. And Episcopalians as well ... so I suppose they would get doubly negative marks from many of us on this forum.

I am sure that a little searching on the BaptistBoard will reveal the very good arguments that have been evinced about why it is legitimate and even helpful for women to be pastors. Pastoring has very little to do with the wielding of authority and everything to do with being authoritative, i.e., professional and capable in handling the Scripture, theology, pastoral care, worship leadership, etc.

 

[El_Guero]

Wayne Grudem? What kind of scholar is he?

Wayne Grudem contends that women being pastors is disobeying God's word and that God will lift His hand of protection on such women, erodes male leadership roles in families, and causes gender confusion in children.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/202/story_20219_1.html

I personally don't think families base their leadership roles on the pastor. Neither do the children base their gender roles on the pastor.

 

[Marcia]

Wayne Grudem? What kind of scholar is he?

He is a theologian and has written a systematic theology. I don't have it and am not familiar with his theology except about women pastors. However, I've seen his systematic theology recommended several times in the Baptist Theology forum.

Google his name if you want to find out about him or his systematic theology.

 

[Marcia]

I can tell you that two of the best preachers I know are women. And Episcopalians as well ... so I suppose they would get doubly negative marks from many of us on this forum.

I am sure that a little searching on the BaptistBoard will reveal the very good arguments that have been evinced about why it is legitimate and even helpful for women to be pastors. Pastoring has very little to do with the wielding of authority and everything to do with being authoritative, i.e., professional and capable in handling the Scripture, theology, pastoral care, worship leadership, etc.

It does have to do with authority. A pastor is responsible to God for how he leads the flock.

If men are supposed to be the spiritual heads in the home, how can a woman be the spiritual head over men in the church?

 

[xdisciplex]

If men are supposed to be the spiritual heads in the home, how can a woman be the spiritual head over men in the church?

Exactly.

It's simply a sign of how everything is twisted today. Woman want to be like men, men want to be like women. :BangHead:
Isn't it enough that women can teach women? Why do they also want to teach men?

 

[BobRyan]

Wayne Grudem contends that women being pastors is disobeying God's word and that God will lift His hand of protection on such women, erodes male leadership roles in families, and causes gender confusion in children.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/202/story_20219_1.html

I personally don't think families base their leadership roles on the pastor. Neither do the children base their gender roles on the pastor.

DHK uses 1Cor 14 to claim that the sound of a woman's voice should not be heard in church.

 

[xdisciplex]

Yes, but unfortunately somehow they have found a way to get around it. I dont really know how but I have heard it before it goes like:

"These verses have a totally different meaning".

I dont know who started it but I think many are just repeating it when it comes to this topic. They roll their eyes and say "these verses have a totally different meaning" and that settles it.

 

[Tom Butler]

I'm against female pastors for biblical reasons as well as common sense ones. But I do have a question:

If a female pastor is a pastorette, are her talks sermonettes?

sorry.....:laugh:

But of course. Pastorettes preach sermonettes so we can quickly go out and ett after church.

 

[Debby in Philly]

Exactly.

It's simply a sign of how everything is twisted today. Woman want to be like men, men want to be like women. :BangHead:
Isn't it enough that women can teach women? Why do they also want to teach men?

Based on this statement, should we go to a gender-segregated model, with men meeting with male leadership, and women meeting with female leadership?

 

[xdisciplex]

Based on this statement, should we go to a gender-segregated model, with men meeting with male leadership, and women meeting with female leadership?

No. The bible doesn't demand this.
Women can go to church and listen but they shall not teach before men.

 

[annsni]

I agree that women should not be pastors. MAYBE being termed a "pastor" if they have a ministry to women but that's even sketchy to me. A pastor most certainly has authority over his flock - and answers to God for his leading of them.

I'm probably the one who has mentioned Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology - I have it next to my computer - it's a good book. He's also written a number of ohter books and even republished some books with he and John Piper editing them. He's a research professor of Bible and Theology at Phoenix Seminary. You can see more about his books on feminism and such at www.cbmw.org

 

[annsni]

Based on this statement, should we go to a gender-segregated model, with men meeting with male leadership, and women meeting with female leadership?

You know what? Some of this is not a bad idea! I read a very good article a while back (can link it if anyone wants to see it) from a mother of 10 children who was reading about the differing 'experts' in parenting - some of whom are controversial. She says in the article that the Bible doesn't say that women are to learn how to love their husbands or raise their children from men and that it's wrong for us to go to men like Michael Pearl, Gary Ezzo and the like to learn how to mother. So much of my life is being a wife and mother - and why is a man going to teach me how to be who I'm supposed to be if he hasn't experienced what I've experienced? If he hasn't given birth? If he hasn't had those gut feelings about things? If he hasn't been married to a man??? Now, I love my male pastor/s (one of them is my husband) and he teaches me about life and being a believer but he cannot teach me how to love my husband the way his wife can!

So I think having a gender-segregated model in some instances IS right.

Titus 2:3-5 "Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. "

 

[tragic_pizza]

I can tell you that two of the best preachers I know are women. And Episcopalians as well ... so I suppose they would get doubly negative marks from many of us on this forum.

I am sure that a little searching on the BaptistBoard will reveal the very good arguments that have been evinced about why it is legitimate and even helpful for women to be pastors. Pastoring has very little to do with the wielding of authority and everything to do with being authoritative, i.e., professional and capable in handling the Scripture, theology, pastoral care, worship leadership, etc.

The pastor I currently serve under is a woman, and is the best preacher I have ever heard, bar none. She is also the most skilled in pastoral care.

Women like her are why I am glad that, even in the Deep South, Baptists don't control everything.

 

[AF Guy N Paradise]

The pastor I currently serve under is a woman, and is the best preacher I have ever heard, bar none. She is also the most skilled in pastoral care.

Women like her are why I am glad that, even in the Deep South, Baptists don't control everything.

Like it says under your denomination, you are one of the most PC folks on this board...