SCRIPTURAL PROOF FOR ROMAN CATHOLICISM!!!

Hey rbrent (BTW, why the lower-case name and all the UPPER CASE THREAD SUBJECTS? Just wondering...),

Since you're so fired up to find Scriptural support for the Catholic faith, why don't you start by proving that the Scriptures (precisely, the 66 books of your bible) are the entire revealed truth of God.

 

You can start by disproving the 8 points presented in Carson's thread, which is surprisingly devoid of Baptist replies.

 

Here's a few answers to the silly ones.

The Rosary is not in Scripture (in that format) because it is merely a devotional prayer. It has no need to be "found" in Scripture any more than your daily prayers.

This has never been a teaching of the Catholic Church. There were times of speculation, but it was never embraced or taught as Truth.

So now "Cardinals" are "teachings?" Cardinals oversee wider areas than archbishops, who oversee larger areas than bishops, who oversee larger areas than priests. The world expanded, and the priest-bishop-archbishop-cardinal-pope is a line that connects the Body of Christ together in unity of teaching.

Umm, ever read the book of James? Is anyone among you sick? Bring the elders in and annoint them with oil...their sins will be forgiven.

Jesus is the shepard, but He instructed Peter to feed His sheep. Not that difficult.

I believe in only one God, not one that is a "wafer." But you knew that already.

 

rbrent,

Congratulations. You didn't answer his ONE question to you (while you ask of us many). That takes talent. Your prize is in the mail.

 

Try again. First prove that your 66 books are the entire and inerrant revealed truth from God. Only then can we discuss whether aspects of the Catholic faith are "outside" that entire and inerrant revealed truth.

 

The Rosary is not in Scripture (in that format) because it is merely a devotional prayer. It has no need to be "found" in Scripture any more than your daily prayers.

This has never been a teaching of the Catholic Church. There were times of speculation, but it was never embraced or taught as Truth.

So now "Cardinals" are "teachings?" Cardinals oversee wider areas than archbishops, who oversee larger areas than bishops, who oversee larger areas than priests. The world expanded, and the priest-bishop-archbishop-cardinal-pope is a line that connects the Body of Christ together in unity of teaching.

Umm, ever read the book of James? Is anyone among you sick? Bring the elders in and annoint them with oil...their sins will be forgiven.

Jesus is the shepard, but He instructed Peter to feed His sheep. Not that difficult.

I believe in only one God, not one that is a "wafer." But you knew that already. </font>[/QUOTE]An excellant reply, GraceSaves!

As for the Rosary, I would suggest rbrent take the prayers found within and note from where in scripture they can be found, starting with the Lord's Prayer which begins each decade of the Rosary.

NOTE: I am having a good time relaxing, noting all of the new faces lately with good Catholic apologetics who have come on line and are defending the faith!

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+


I believe in God,
the Father Almighty,
Creator of heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
Our Lord;
who was conceived by the holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died,
and was buried.

He descended into hell;
the third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
sitteth at the right hand of God,
the Father almighty;
from thence He shall come to judge
the living and the dead.

I believe in the holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

Amen.

- The Apostles Creed -

 

rbrent,

I was lucky enough to have been sent a copy of "Catholic Doctrine in Scripture", a list compiled by college students. Unfortunately it isn't a book that has been published. It lists nearly 100 doctrines and behind that the scriptures. It is 80 pages long and about 90% of it is nothing but scripture. I've already given away my extra copy or I'd send you one.

Your post makes a very good point though- you don't care to take any time to do anything but push your biased half-truth misconceptions around about something you don't understand. If you truly want to make any impression at all, take a deep breath, pick one topic, and start by asking the Catholics on the board why they believe what they do, how they back it up, and then be quiet and listen.

 

rbrent,

Are you listening? You listed "limbo" as a Catholic teaching. I trust your understanding just about none.

 

rbent,
You asked for it.

 

This is coming from the person who consideres The Passion of the Christ to be a tool of Satan to soften up the world to Catholicism.

 

Since you only ask for 2 scripture references, that's all i'll give here.

(1) The Rosary

The Rosary is a counting tool. I'll give you scriptural support for the Rosary beads when you give me scriptural support for church pews, steeples, AWANA, potluck dinners, and icecream at fellowships. "Saying" the rosary are prayers and asking for intercession.

Support for praying:
Matthew 21:22
Mark 24:25

For intercession:
1 timothy 2:1-3
Matt. 5:44

(2) Purgatory

I listed a whole bunch in the other thread. Please go there to read what purgatory is. If you think its a "place" your too far off on your understanding to read scriptures on it.

Here are three:
Rev. 21:27
1 Cor. 3:15
2 Sam. 12:13-14

(3) Limbo

Catholics don't believe this

(4) Papal Infallibility

A couple that support it:
Luke 10:16
Romans 13:2
John 11:47-52

(5) Mary as Co-Mediatrix
(6) Mary as Co-Redemptrix

These two walk hand in hand so i put them together:

Luke 1:26-38


(7) Cardinals

You'll have to be more specific I guess. A Cardinal is a person who holds office in the Church, it is not a "teaching" or "doctrine"

(8) Assumption of Mary

We know there have been others to be assumed into heaven: Genesis 5:24, Heb 11:5, 2 Kings 2:1-13

Also see Rev. 11:19-12:1 for support of Mary's Assumption.

(9) Holy Water

Holy water also is not a "doctrine". Perhaps you want to ask about the role of a priest? Or the blessing of objects? Have you ever said grace at a table?

Instances of water that has been blessed: Num 5:17, 8:7, Ex 30:18-19, 29:4, Lev 8:6, 1 Kings 7:38-39

(10) Baby Sprinkling

Infant baptism, in other words. Perhaps its better to ask the purpose of baptism? In the OT consent to enter the faith is not asked for, as it takes place at 8 days of age. Gen 17:12.

See: Acts 2:38-39
Col. 2:11-12
Acts 16:15
Lk 18:15-17

(11) Sacrament of Extreme Unction

James 5:13-15 and whenever an apostle heals someone.

(12) Pope as Vicar of Christ

Matt. 16:15-19
1 Cor. 15:3-5

(13) Transubstantiation

John 6

(14) The Wafer ‘god’

This is the reason you're not taken seriously. The study or teaching of any subject demands the teachers respect. If your going to teach a class the tenants of the Muslim faith, you do not insult it. By your insult and lack of respect and decency, you lose credability. This, above your fundamental lack of knowledge of what the faith teaches.

 

And this is where I end my dialogue as I can't afford to spend any more time with someone who will do nothing but scream at the top of their lungs without being willing to listen and learn. For your own good man, I've got to end it here.

2 Peter 2:1-22
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. [3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; [5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; [6] And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; [7] And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: [8] (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds [9] The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: [10] But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. [11] Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. [12] But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; [13] And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the daytime. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; [14] Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: [15] Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; [16] But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. [17] These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. [18] For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. [19] While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. [20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. [21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. [22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2 Peter 1:20-21
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

[ February 07, 2004, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Brother Adam ]

 

See how this works? I'm gonna say it r e a l s l o w for ya. When you read the bible looking for specific catch phrases, you don't always find what you want. Try finding Trail of Blood, Altar Call, Landmark, Independent Fundiemental or any of that stuff.

 

Wow, condescending to boot!

I really like the part about typing real slowly. That'll definitely make the text show up real slowly on Bro. Adam's screen!

 

#1. There are no such texts to give. So "dancing around the point" will be "the answer".

#2. "Equivocating" as in "The Bible mentions prayer - so its ok to pray to the Dead in Christ".

Or "The Bible mentions suffering ... so the dead suffer in Purgatory" .. is as close to a "text for purgatory" or a "text for praying to the Dead in Christ" that you will get.

In Christ,

Bob