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Security at your church

FriendofSpurgeon

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Given the recent mass murders in the Texas church, as well as the prayer meeting shooting in South Carolina, is your church doing anything to improve security?

This is what I know is happening at three churches ---

Church 1 - There is an armed security guard at every service.
Church 2 - There is an armed plain-clothes security guard who sits in the sanctuary.
Church 3 - There are deacons who stay in the lobby (non-armed) who also assist with late-comers, etc.

Just wondering.
 

annsni

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We have had for years a security team that is at the main church for pretty much most events that the congregation comes to. They are plain clothes but have lanyard badges to show that they are security. Some are armed and some are not. Those who are armed are all current or retired police and/or military and even former secret service. At the two other campuses, we don't have official "security" teams but let's just say that the people are protected. Our campus is as protected as some famous football stars thanks to an attendee who has a very "secure" job. ;)
 

Katarina Von Bora

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Given the recent mass murders in the Texas church, as well as the prayer meeting shooting in South Carolina, is your church doing anything to improve security?

This is what I know is happening at three churches ---

Church 1 - There is an armed security guard at every service.
Church 2 - There is an armed plain-clothes security guard who sits in the sanctuary.
Church 3 - There are deacons who stay in the lobby (non-armed) who also assist with late-comers, etc.

Just wondering.

We attend church in Arizona. The wild, wild west. Both my husband and I have concealed weapon permits. We carry.
 

Jerome

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Both my husband and I have concealed weapon permits. We carry.

Amen. Remember this?:

KUSA-TV 9News - Colorado Springs Pastor Brady Boyd

"New Life Church in Colorado Springs....a shooter walked into that church a decade ago, he was met by a woman with a gun. Jeanne Assam was a volunteer security guard who shot the gunman"

"'On a Sunday morning, December 9, 2007, a young man came on our campus...came into our building opened fire...one of our voluntary security guards stopped him. She was the hero, she was certainly a hero of our church, no doubt about it.'"
 

David Kent

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Yeah. The pope has armed guards. Try breaking into his service. And Muslims are very often seen with guns in a religious context.

NOT only in the USA. Good try, though.

Nice try, but the pope is not a christian neither are Muslims.

Anyone at our church who carried a gun would be excommunicated , (I would hope, but is hasn't happened in any church I know in UK) nor even the Mormons when they come in to spy us out). Of course anyone who did would probably be arrested and get 5 years in clink. We have not had any outrages like your recent one and you have had others.
 

Yeshua1

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Given the recent mass murders in the Texas church, as well as the prayer meeting shooting in South Carolina, is your church doing anything to improve security?

This is what I know is happening at three churches ---

Church 1 - There is an armed security guard at every service.
Church 2 - There is an armed plain-clothes security guard who sits in the sanctuary.
Church 3 - There are deacons who stay in the lobby (non-armed) who also assist with late-comers, etc.

Just wondering.
We were already starting the process of having certain members, such as military/police in our church , get licensed to carry concealed firearms, and the latest shooting just speeded that up!
 

Revmitchell

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Gun crimes in the US has been on the decline for a number of years now. Apparently violent crime is on the rise in the UK.
 

Revmitchell

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If you call people who carry guns not Christian I don't believe you can be a Christian.


See I can make up stuff as well.
 

OnlyaSinner

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So? That is beside the point.

I know you try to make a lot of violent crime in England, so be it. It is just an excuse for your unchristian practices. As Christians we should expect satanic attacks, but how caan we preach to sinners if you are prepared to shoot them?
Jesus said:
  • John 16:3 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
If you carry a gun into church I don't see how you can be a christian, and any church that hires armed guards I don't believe is a Christian church.

I'm glad that you stated the final sentence above as a belief, not a judgment, because such judgments of another's spiritual state are not ours to make. Scripture says, "By their fruits shall ye know them", but as someone (can't remember the name) recently said, we are to be fruit inspectors, not botanists. No one knows for sure whether I'm truly saved except God and me.

An armed member at the Texas church might've saved 20+ lives had he taken down the shooter before the guy entered the building (he'd already shot several outside.) By not acting, that member would be deciding the fates of many others beside himself.
Whether or not to use violence to prevent further violence is not an open-and-shut decision. I think appealing to Christ's actions when He was confronted at Gethsemane offers little guidance, as He knew that His crucifixion, burial, and resurrection were according to the Father's sovereign will. We can claim no such surety of knowledge.

And in response to the OP, our church is practicing #3, though I've not asked whether any of the deacons are carrying.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Nice try, but the pope is not a christian neither are Muslims.

Anyone at our church who carried a gun would be excommunicated , (I would hope, but is hasn't happened in any church I know in UK) nor even the Mormons when they come in to spy us out). Of course anyone who did would probably be arrested and get 5 years in clink. We have not had any outrages like your recent one and you have had others.
You made no such caveat. Smarmy answer completely ignored. Don’t care what you do over there.
 

Reynolds

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Nice try, but the pope is not a christian neither are Muslims.

Anyone at our church who carried a gun would be excommunicated , (I would hope, but is hasn't happened in any church I know in UK) nor even the Mormons when they come in to spy us out). Of course anyone who did would probably be arrested and get 5 years in clink. We have not had any outrages like your recent one and you have had others.
I wouldn't want to come to your church. Sound like a bunch of left wing pacifists.
 

Squire Robertsson

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Careful here, you're both running up on some cultural rocks and shoals. Reynolds, please keep in mind continental Baptists are traditionally pacifists. Though, English Baptists have a history of serving in HM's Forces. It's a theological position, not a political one. In other words, an Englishman could be a Thatcherite Tory and still be a pacifist on personal terms.
I wouldn't want to come to your church. Sound like a bunch of left-wing pacifists.
 

Reynolds

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Careful here, you're both running up on some cultural rocks and shoals. Reynolds, please keep in mind continental Baptists are traditionally pacifists. Though, English Baptists have a history of serving in HM's Forces. It's a theological position, not a political one. In other words, an Englishman could be a Thatcherite Tory and still be a pacifist on personal terms.
Careful here, you're both running up on some cultural rocks and shoals. Reynolds, please keep in mind continental Baptists are traditionally pacifists. Though, English Baptists have a history of serving in HM's Forces. It's a theological position, not a political one. In other words, an Englishman could be a Thatcherite Tory and still be a pacifist on personal terms.
I am aware of the theological position. It still does not change my opinion. I am sure you are aware by now that there is little to no separation between my politics and my theology. My theology guided and dominates all my positions, including my politics.
 
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