Should Biden Pardon Trump?

[KenH]

As bad as it would be, which looks likely even though two-thirds of Americans don't want it, that the two major parties are going to foist upon the American people a 2020 rerun of Donald Trump vs. Joe Biden, I think it will be made even worse with all of the indictments and legal troubles of Trump, as the election won't be waged over issues(unless something "earthquake-like" happens), such as the economy, inflation, border security, foreign policy, etc. No, instead, the election will be waged over whether or not one man, Donald Trump, should likely go to prison. Those who want Trump to go to prison will vote for Biden, those who want Trump to go scot-free will vote for him.

To take all of that off the table, I submit that President Biden should pardon Donald Trump, as President Gerald Ford pardoned former President Nixon in 1974. Yes, I know that there would be political ramifications, especially from the left-wing of the Democratic Party. But doesn't someone with some clout in the two major parties have to rise above self and put the interest of the country ahead of their political ambitions so that the United States can go back to debating political philosophy and issues instead of personalities?

 

[JonC]

If convicted, then probably. The goal is to overshadow any of Biden's crimes and remove Trump as a candidate. Since it is all political (and overtly so), not pardoning him may be a political mistake for the DNC.

If the Trump charges were not purely political (or...obviously political) then it may be a different story.

 

[KenH]

@JonC

I think at the same time as pardoning Trump before any possible conviction, or even a trial, that Biden should announce that he has decided to not run for reelection - he shouldn't run anyway due to his diminishing age-related capabilities.

 

[JonC]

@JonC

I think at the same time as pardoning Trump before any possible conviction, or even a trial, that Biden should announce that he has decided to not run for reelection - he shouldn't run anyway due to his diminishing age-related capabilities.

I'm not sure he can pardon before conviction.

The problem Biden will have is that evidence has been mounting against him as well. I don't know that he has a good way out. If he is reelected he will probably be impeached.

The issue going forward will be the DNC and their involvement.

The best the DNC can do is distance themselves from Biden, and the best the GOP can do is to distance themselves from Trump. But even here both parties have demonstrated themselves less than competent.

You know what we need? A reset button.

 

[canadyjd]

DT would never request it or accept it. Biden would never grant it.

However, there is about a 100% chance Biden will pardon Hunter, and the rest of his family, if it looks like the bribery accusations gain momentum.

He will likely pardon himself as well.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

If Biden is impeached, it will be prior to 2024 election. Summer 2024. The repubs will wait well into primary season to lock Dems in with Biden/Harris.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

I'm not sure he can pardon before conviction.

Sure he can. President Ford pardoned former President Nixon about only a month after he resigned from office.

 

[KenH]

You know what we need? A reset button.

We know that all empires come to an end. So unless Christ returns first, it could very well be that the incessant fighting between the Republicans and the Democrats over power(and not issues) will be what brings the American Empire that has existed since the end of World War II to an end.

 

[JonC]

We know that all empires come to an end. So unless Christ returns first, it could very well be that the incessant fighting between the Republicans and the Democrats over power(and not issues) will be what brings the American Empire that has existed since the end of World War II to an end.

Could be. But we also have to keep in mind that what we see is most likely not representative of the whole. We see sheeple Republicans and sheeple Democrats. I suspect most do not care that much about politics.

Most were not better off under either party.

There are some benefits of each - Trump guaranteed minority colleges for 10 years (that's usually a political pawn). Biden gave retired military members the largest raise in decades.

But mostly life goes on regardless of the party in power. The best case is to have the party powers split. It helps weed out the extreme positions.

 

[JonC]

Sure he can. President Ford pardoned former President Nixon about only a month after he resigned from office.

True, and thanks. Yes, Biden could give a pardon for any crimes he might have committed as president.

But I think the push is to make it impossible for Trump to run for reelection. So that'd be down the road.

 

[Salty]

If Biden is impeached, it will be prior to 2024 election. Summer 2024. The repubs will wait well into primary season to lock Dems in with Biden/Harris.

peace to you

The House - MIGHT impeach (w/ 50%) BUT the Senate would never convict ( 66%).
So it is really a moot point - other than to say - "the first time that back-to-back Presidents were impeached"

 

[Van]

Consider why Mr Nixon resigned. Senator Goldwater came to the WH and told Mr. Nixon that there were enough votes in the Senate to convict. This means a number of Republican's stood by their duty to the American people. But no one, and I mean no one believes the Democrats will vote to convict Mr. Biden. Apples and Oranges. The side which to some degree values truth, justice and freedom based on the rule of law, and the dark side that will do or say anything to gain and keep power.

 

[canadyjd]

The House - MIGHT impeach (w/ 50%) BUT the Senate would never convict ( 66%).
So it is really a moot point - other than to say - "the first time that back-to-back Presidents were impeached"

Well, I have to believe that if the audio tapes exist that the Ukrainian businessman claims to have made with Hunter (15 recordings) and VP (2 recordings) demanding 10 million bribe money for protection and then link Biden going to Ukraine and demanding the prosecutor investigating corruption involving that man and his company… even Dems would have to concede POTUS has to go.

If nothing else, US citizens will get to see the evidence and make up their own minds

peace to you

 

[KenH]

The House - MIGHT impeach (w/ 50%) BUT the Senate would never convict ( 66%).
So it is really a moot point - other than to say - "the first time that back-to-back Presidents were impeached"

I think that it is likely, going forward, that we should expect, as long as the Republicans and Democrats run the federal government, that anytime the House of Representatives is controlled by the opposite party of the party of the president, that the House will impeach the president. Also, it is likely, going forward, that neither the Republicans nor the Democrats will accept the results of presidential races, but will accuse the other party of cheating.

The Republican and Democratic Parties are engaged in war for power and control; the damage they are doing to the American people is just collateral damage in their minds.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well, I have to believe that if the audio tapes exist that the Ukrainian businessman claims to have made with Hunter (15 recordings) and VP (2 recordings) demanding 10 million bribe money for protection and then link Biden going to Ukraine and demanding the prosecutor investigating corruption involving that man and his company… even Dems would have to concede POTUS has to go.

If nothing else, US citizens will get to see the evidence and make up their own minds

peace to you

Why would or should anyone have to believe that? Hillary was aided and abetted by the FBI and the Obama admin so that she not only escaped charges, but was considered a viable presidential candidate.

The Dems, their extensive “deep state” and their monopolistic media can already manipulate just about any scenario they want regardless of evidence or facts.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

… But doesn't someone with some clout in the two major parties have to rise above self and put the interest of the country ahead of their political ambitions so that the United States can go back to debating political philosophy and issues instead of personalities?

No, absolutely not. Why would anyone think so? It isn’t reasonable. The recent past has not borne that out at all.

 

[atpollard]

even Dems would have to concede POTUS has to go.

… you mean like a sitting US President committing perjury in court and the Democrats in Congress having to vote to impeach him (but voting that Perjury does not rise to the level of a “high crimes and misdemeanors”.)

Politics overshadows both Law and Justice and has for DECADES. That Nixon was a tower of integrity when compared to most recent presidents, speaks volumes.

 

[KenH]

Hillary was aided and abetted by the FBI and the Obama admin so that she not only escaped charges, but was considered a viable presidential candidate.

If one recalls back 7 years ago, it was FBI Director James Comey who sunk Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign 11 days before the election when he announced the reopening of her email case.

 

[KenH]

No, absolutely not. Why would anyone think so? It isn’t reasonable. The recent past has not borne that out at all.

The recent past? No. Not with the advent of the primacy of using primaries to choose candidates and allowing more participation of the general populace in doing so in recent decades.

I submit that we used to have MUCH better candidates and presidents before all of that - such as George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Grover Cleveland, et al.

I recognize that I am out of time in my politics, as I remember a time when campaigns were MUCH less about personalities and MUCH more about political philosophy and issues. Yes, there has always been some yakety yak back and forth in politics, but at least there was a lot of substance to campaigns, as well, and not just name-calling and victimology.

 

[KenH]

I should add that I understand that whoever becomes president or fills any public office has been decreed by God and that voting is simply one of the means God uses to put that person in office. So whether or not Biden pardons Trump is based on the decree of God. Whether or not Trump ends up in prison or not has been decreed by God, just as the indictments of Trump have been decreed by God.

Daniel 2:21 He removeth kings, and setteth up kings.

Daniel 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?