Should catholics saved By Grace Of God Forsake the RCC, and depart now?

[Yeshua1]

Isn't that what God really would mean about departing. coming out from among them, that would be true 'biblical seperation' being practiced?

 

[Jon-Marc]

While out knocking on doors many years ago, I met a man who said someone had led him to the Lord in his home, but he didn't want to leave the Catholic church because, as he said, "I like the ritualism of the services."

However, anyone who is a in church that preaches or teaches ANYTHING other than salvation "by grace through faith" (and that ONLY God can forgive sins) should get out of that church or religion once if they have been born again.

 

[Fred's Wife]

While out knocking on doors many years ago, I met a man who said someone had led him to the Lord in his home, but he didn't want to leave the Catholic church because, as he said, "I like the ritualism of the services."

However, anyone who is a in church that preaches or teaches ANYTHING other than salvation "by grace through faith" (and that ONLY God can forgive sins) should get out of that church or religion once if they have been born again.

I agree.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
2 Corinthians 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Well, if it was me I would HIGHLY reccomend they flee the grave yard and leave the Catholic false church for a place where The Holy Spirit would be in the midst, in a substantial way.

If they have been legitametly born of the Spirit, and they still go because they like the litergy, or some other reason, I would suggest that maybe they could take the opportunity to witness to the unsaved catholics, so that they could be blessed in the way he now knows the Lord.

 

[Winman]

One of my closest friends ever was a very devout Catholic. I think we must have spent hundreds of hours discussing the differences in our beliefs. We always remained friends even when we disagreed.

When I first spoke to him he clearly believed a person had to perform good works and keep the sacraments, but over the years I believe I convinced him that a person is saved by trusting in Jesus alone to save him.

I truly believe my friend became saved after talking to him many years, but he would not leave the church. He said he felt he could be of greater help if he stayed in the church and corrected false doctrine.

I moved and haven't seen my friend in many years, but I know he is still active in the Catholic church.

 

[Fred's Wife]

The Bible says not to have "fellowship" with those who teach another gospel, but we are commanded to "preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[pilgrimspen]

I was a former RCC was baptized in 2010. I left the church because I really saw the wrong teachings and practices. The reason why others are hesitant to leave the church it is because the service is organized. When I first attended a baptist service I kinda miss the setting of RCC because it is formal in a way. But of course what they call the Eucharistic celebration is really wrong. It is a form of idolatry. And the pope is not the vicar of Christ nor successor of Peter.

I can't tell whether they will be saved. I know GOD will reveal his self to them in one way or another like I was saved. I was dead for 29 yrs. and now I'm alive!

 

[Walter]

As a Baptist converting to the Catholic Church, now when I walk into a protestant / evangelical church there's the very numbing feeling that it's NOT the Holy place I once felt it was. There's usually not an altar , there's usually just a cross ( sometimes not a cross ) hanging on the wall then the power point covers it, never a crucifix to be seen, the sanctuary is NEVER quiet or reverent ( it seems like a social hall at times ) nobody is sitting there in deep prayer on their knees before the service, there's NO tabernacle or Eucharist, there's no very sacred prayers or hymns during the service, when the music starts it's just like a concert with the FOCUS seeming to be on the musicians NOT on Jesus.....most ALL protestant / evangelical converts to the Catholic Church feel this way.............now, at the Catholic Church, I can attend Mass 7 days a week ( not just on a Wednesday & Sunday.... ) when you walk in you know & feel in the depths of your soul & the pit of your stomach that its a VERY Holy Place, it's VERY quiet , almost a stillness with everyone in deep prayer on their knees facing the altar & Tabernacle before the Mass, there's the Crucifix, and theres is NEVER a rock concert going on , we are singing reverent hymns & prayers etc.....it's meant to be a VERY reverent place.....& it ALWAYS is.............just a thought and my experience. I am passing no judgements, just sharing with you what I have observed. I love attending the Catholic Church, and have never been closer to the Lord Jesus.
Despite the talk on this board about how 'unbiblical' the Catholic Church is, I have found by way of studying the word of God and the Catechism that it is the most biblical Church on earth.

I want to add that just within the last day my wife informed me that since I have left the Baptist church for the Catholic Church she has seen a wonderful change in my life. She has noticed the amount of time I spend reading God's word and in prayer has increased significantly. She has shared with several of our friends the amount of peace and joy that I now am experiencing and she told me she wants to find that too. She made a decision for Christ years ago but wants a deeper relationship with Him. She has decided to start attending the Catholic Church along with me. She won't be alone, just about all the people in my large RCIA class are former Protestants. I'm not the only former Baptist. All are surprised by just how Christ-Centered the Catholic Church actually is.

 

[saturneptune]

As a Baptist converting to the Catholic Church, now when I walk into a protestant / evangelical church there's the very numbing feeling that it's NOT the Holy place I once felt it was. There's usually not an altar , there's usually just a cross ( sometimes not a cross ) hanging on the wall then the power point covers it, never a crucifix to be seen, the sanctuary is NEVER quiet or reverent ( it seems like a social hall at times ) nobody is sitting there in deep prayer on their knees before the service, there's NO tabernacle or Eucharist, there's no very sacred prayers or hymns during the service, when the music starts it's just like a concert with the FOCUS seeming to be on the musicians NOT on Jesus.....most ALL protestant / evangelical converts to the Catholic Church feel this way.............now, at the Catholic Church, I can attend Mass 7 days a week ( not just on a Wednesday & Sunday.... ) when you walk in you know & feel in the depths of your soul & the pit of your stomach that its a VERY Holy Place, it's VERY quiet , almost a stillness with everyone in deep prayer on their knees facing the altar & Tabernacle before the Mass, there's the Crucifix, and theres is NEVER a rock concert going on , we are singing reverent hymns & prayers etc.....it's meant to be a VERY reverent place.....& it ALWAYS is.............just a thought and my experience. I am passing no judgements, just sharing with you what I have observed. I love attending the Catholic Church, and have never been closer to the Lord Jesus.
Despite the talk on this board about how 'unbiblical' the Catholic Church is, I have found by way of studying the word of God and the Catechism that it is the most biblical Church on earth.

I am missing your point comparing the atmosphere in a Catholic and Protestant/Baptist service. I have been to Presbyterian and Baptist churches for decades, and do not recall any rock concerts, chit chat, social activity, or disruptions during the services, only worshiping the Lord. Even if that was true, what does a sanctuary being treated like a library have to do how the service affects one's soul? You picture the services like we are dancing in the aisles and shooting pool while the service is going on. Especially in Presbyterian services, people are very quiet. As a point of fact, noise level has nothing to do with worshipping or not worshipping God. As far as the music, you are calling contemporary music a "rock band." Music style transcends denomination. My church sings the old hymns out of a book, but many have a Praise Band with contemporary songs. What difference does it make if you are praising the Lord?

Trust me, God's presence does not hover around Catholic buildings and not Protestant. If you feel a sense of the Lord's presence in one and not the other, then I do not know what to tell you, since Jesus promised wherever two or more are gathered, He is there. Stained glass windows, hundreds of candles, statues of saints, knee guards on the pews, communion boxes, and ring a ding bells do not make a holier than protestant presence.

 

[DHK]

As a Baptist converting to the Catholic Church, now when I walk into a protestant / evangelical church there's the very numbing feeling that it's NOT the Holy place I once felt it was.

Part of the problem is emotion. Early Christians met in cemeteries, houses, fields, or wherever they could. It is not meant to be a place "to feel good."

There's usually not an altar ,

We don't have an altar. Why should we? The Bible talks about our bodies being a living sacrifice. This is not OT times, and no need to bring offerings before idols.

there's usually just a cross ( sometimes not a cross ) hanging on the wall

Some churches have a decorative cross. But that is all it is--decoration. It is simply a piece of wood. It is not holy. It is cellulose. It is not to be worshiped.

then the power point covers it,

It is a piece of wood. Sometimes one must be practical in the use of their building.

never a crucifix to be seen,

Learn the Ten Commandments. Baptists don't commit the sin of idolatry as Catholics so blatantly do, and then they deny it.

the sanctuary is NEVER quiet or reverent ( it seems like a social hall at times ) nobody is sitting there in deep prayer

A sweeping generalization. You don't know if it is true or not. You have had some bad experiences. How many Baptist churches have you been in. I am a missionary and have traveled through the States and through Canada from the Pacific to the Atlantic. I have been to more than 50% of the States and in each State have visited a number of Baptist churches. In addition I have been to hundreds of churches in Asia and the Far East. In comparison I can simply say you don't know what you are talking about.

on their knees before the service,

We pray, but not necessarily on our knees. I do that at home, and even then not all the time. God does not require any set position to pray.

there's NO tabernacle

The tabernacle was found only in the OT, and once the Temple was built it was done away for good. That was ca. 1,000 B.C. This demonstrates your lack of knowledge in the Bible.

or Eucharist,

No such thing in the Bible.

there's no very sacred prayers or hymns during the service,

All prayer is sacred.
All of our music are hymns.
Again, you are making sweeping generalizations based on the few visits to Baptist churches that you have had. The great majority of churches that I have been in have been conservative churches filled with prayer and sacred music. You are wrong in your assessment. But then you can't be objective when you are ignorant.

when the music starts it's just like a concert with the FOCUS seeming to be on the musicians NOT on Jesus.

I have never been to such a church in all the hundreds of Baptist churches I have been to.
Your mischaracterization of Baptist churches everywhere is dishonest.

....most ALL protestant / evangelical converts to the Catholic Church feel this way.............now, at the Catholic Church, I can attend Mass 7 days a week ( not just on a Wednesday & Sunday.... ) when you walk in you know & feel in the depths of your soul & the pit of your stomach that its a VERY Holy Place, it's VERY quiet , almost a stillness with everyone in deep prayer on their knees facing the altar & Tabernacle before the Mass, there's the Crucifix, and theres is NEVER a rock concert going on , we are singing reverent hymns & prayers etc.....it's meant to be a VERY reverent place.....& it ALWAYS is.............just a thought and my experience. I am passing no judgements, just sharing with you what I have observed. I love attending the Catholic Church, and have never been closer to the Lord Jesus.

Do your research. The greatest number of J.W.'s were former Baptists. Perhaps there is something about the environment of their building that they like. Maybe they feel better there.
The biggest difference is this:
The Holy Spirit isn't there (as He isn't in the RCC) to convict of sin. They feel better because there is no convicting power from the Word of God. The devil isn't there to fight them. He walks around as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour; but since he has already devoured the Catholics and J.W.'s there is no need for him to stay there. He allows the RCC leaders to continue his work.

Despite the talk on this board about how 'unbiblical' the Catholic Church is, I have found by way of studying the word of God and the Catechism that it is the most biblical Church on earth.

And yet the devil has so blinded your eyes you can't see the heresy in the Catechism which is so blatant and obvious. Does the new birth equal baptism? If you were truly saved as a Baptist you would know that answer immediately and know the heresy of the RCC immediately.

It is obvious from your post that you are running your life by your emotions and not by the facts of the Word of God.

 

[Walter]

I am missing your point comparing the atmosphere in a Catholic and Protestant/Baptist service. I have been to Presbyterian and Baptist churches for decades, and do not recall any rock concerts, chit chat, social activity, or disruptions during the services, only worshiping the Lord. Even if that was true, what does a sanctuary being treated like a library have to do how the service affects one's soul? You picture the services like we are dancing in the aisles and shooting pool while the service is going on. Especially in Presbyterian services, people are very quiet. As a point of fact, noise level has nothing to do with worshipping or not worshipping God. As far as the music, you are calling contemporary music a "rock band." Music style transcends denomination. My church sings the old hymns out of a book, but many have a Praise Band with contemporary songs. What difference does it make if you are praising the Lord?

Trust me, God's presence does not hover around Catholic buildings and not Protestant. If you feel a sense of the Lord's presence in one and not the other, then I do not know what to tell you, since Jesus promised wherever two or more are gathered, He is there. Stained glass windows, hundreds of candles, statues of saints, knee guards on the pews, communion boxes, and ring a ding bells do not make a holier than protestant presence.

I'm just sharing with you my experiences. As I said, I'm not passing any judgement. I know that not all Protestant churches are the same. And I also know that God's presence can be found anywhere. My Baptist church used a very load 'praise band' and church seemed too much like a performance and for me a distraction.

 

[Sapper Woody]

As a Baptist converting to the Catholic Church, now when I walk into a protestant / evangelical church there's the very numbing feeling that it's NOT the Holy place I once felt it was. There's usually not an altar , there's usually just a cross ( sometimes not a cross ) hanging on the wall then the power point covers it, never a crucifix to be seen, the sanctuary is NEVER quiet or reverent ( it seems like a social hall at times ) nobody is sitting there in deep prayer on their knees before the service, there's NO tabernacle or Eucharist, there's no very sacred prayers or hymns during the service, when the music starts it's just like a concert with the FOCUS seeming to be on the musicians NOT on Jesus.....most ALL protestant / evangelical converts to the Catholic Church feel this way.............now, at the Catholic Church, I can attend Mass 7 days a week ( not just on a Wednesday & Sunday.... ) when you walk in you know & feel in the depths of your soul & the pit of your stomach that its a VERY Holy Place, it's VERY quiet , almost a stillness with everyone in deep prayer on their knees facing the altar & Tabernacle before the Mass, there's the Crucifix, and theres is NEVER a rock concert going on , we are singing reverent hymns & prayers etc.....it's meant to be a VERY reverent place.....& it ALWAYS is.............just a thought and my experience.

I mean no disrespect, but there needs to be pointed out that there is a difference between "Holy" and "Solemn". I have no doubt that the Catholic church has a very solemn feel to it. But I also have no doubt that Moses was on holy ground in front of the burning bush, not a very solemn place. The Bible states that where two or three are gathered in Christ's name, He'll be there. That makes it a holy place, regardless of the mood.

All are surprised by just how Christ-Centered the Catholic Church actually is.

Again, not to be disrespectful, but everything you posted above about why you like the Catholic church over Baptists is centered on things, not Christ. You mentioned crucifixes, altars, and other things. I am not going to condemn you for your choice. But I do urge an in depth study. I also will not derail this thread with a discussion on things, but please look into it with an open mind tempered by the scriptures.

 

[Walter]

I mean no disrespect, but there needs to be pointed out that there is a difference between "Holy" and "Solemn". I have no doubt that the Catholic church has a very solemn feel to it. But I also have no doubt that Moses was on holy ground in front of the burning bush, not a very solemn place. The Bible states that where two or three are gathered in Christ's name, He'll be there. That makes it a holy place, regardless of the mood.

Again, not to be disrespectful, but everything you posted above about why you like the Catholic church over Baptists is centered on things, not Christ. You mentioned crucifixes, altars, and other things. I am not going to condemn you for your choice. But I do urge an in depth study. I also will not derail this thread with a discussion on things, but please look into it with an open mind tempered by the scriptures.

Thanks, this was just my experience with the atomosphere in Catholic Churches. I have and am doing an in-depth study. I was once very anti-Catholic and have spent the last year comparing Catholic apologetics to Baptist and Reformed apologists. I have not entered into this conversion process un-informed nor have the other Baptists on this board that have either converted to the Catholic Church or are in the process of converting are also. 'Thinkingstuff' spent years in study before becoming Catholic again after being a Baptist for many years. 'Zenas' has studied extensively. I will say that if I were to find one dogma of the Catholic Church un-biblical I would stop the process. That was my main reason for continuing on this board after deciding to start the process. I participate on other boards as well.

Thanks for a kind and respectful response!

 

[Sapper Woody]

I have and am doing an in-depth study. I was once very anti-Catholic and have spent the last year comparing Catholic apologetics to Baptist and Reformed apologists. I have not entered into this conversion process un-informed

That is all I can ask. Obviously, being Baptist I will be sad to see a brother in Christ convert. But, peace to you, and you will be in my prayers.

 

[The Biblicist]

That is all I can ask. Obviously, being Baptist I will be sad to see a brother in Christ convert. But, peace to you, and you will be in my prayers.

Very well stated. However, John probably better describes those who leave the true faith - 1 Jn. 2:19

 

[Fred's Wife]

Very well stated. However, John probably better describes those who leave the true faith - 1 Jn. 2:19

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[pilgrimspen]

Yes, Walter I agree with what they say. Don't be fooled. Jesus is not in the Eucharist. GOD is not present either in those hosts or idols. What you are doing is abomination to the Lord.

FEELING has nothing to do with it. I can relate to what you're saying but you have to fight it.
Regarding with the rock music maybe, you are talking about with the Pentecostals and Evangelicals. Well, in my church Baptist we sing contemporary worship songs and its okay for me.

Don't be fooled. You were on the right track before, take it from me. Been
a Catholic for 29 yrs. have never felt fulfilled reading the bios of the saints,
pope's encyclicals etc.

And the early Christians especially the apostles doesn't have those things.
They meet and break bread. They do eat as a remembrance and they
don't eat it and think its the body of Jesus.

 

[pilgrimspen]

And besides... worshipping GOD is our duty okay!!!
So whether you are feeling not good or you are feeling great to worship him do it.
Also worship GOD in spirit...

 

[saturneptune]

I'm just sharing with you my experiences. As I said, I'm not passing any judgement. I know that not all Protestant churches are the same. And I also know that God's presence can be found anywhere. My Baptist church used a very load 'praise band' and church seemed too much like a performance and for me a distraction.

Have you been to an Episcable service? How does it compare to a Catholic as far as surroundings and order of service?

 

[Fred's Wife]

Have you been to an Episcable service? How does it compare to a Catholic as far as surroundings and order of service?

What is "Episcable"? Do you mean "Episcopal"?