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Should/Must A Christian be Re baptised To become a Church member?
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preacher4truth
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Amen.
Also, I had some pentecostal types, Assembly of God sorta come to our church. They wanted me to see them and told me they wanted to be Scripturally Baptized for trusting Christ alone in salvation, in rejecting the theology of works and loss of salvation taught them.
These 2 are pillars in the church. They saw it as Scriptural, not as being "re-baptized."
Would you see it similiar to that MANY in my baptist Church came out of Catholic Church and once converted wanted to get baptised for "real", as they did not see the infant one as being valid before God?
preacher4truth
Active Member
Sounds like the same outcome, both recognize their baptism as illegitimate, and so did it Biblically. But I do believe there are some genuinely converted in some AOG churches. I think it would be more difficult to prove such in RC churches. More difficult, but not impossible. I don't see how they could remain in C or RC if this is the case.
convicted1
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I am in agreement with what the others have stated. Baptism minus immersion, isn't baptism. Immersion is the only mode of properly conducting a baptism. Being buried with Christ doesn't come about by sprinkling, laying on of hands(I have heard that some denominations do this, but not concrete evidence), or using a "washrag".
I was water baptised while attending an Assemblies of God Church, after becoming saved...
never been baptised 'again" as was done by full immersion, believed in jesus, was really saved at that time...
was recognised as being 'valid" by my local baptist Church!
convicted1
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What is different about the AoG baptism? Do they baptize in the name of Jesus only? I have heard of oneness pentecostals that do this. Do the AoG's have a similiar doctrine to the oneness pentecostals?
preacher4truth
Active Member
Yep. Some do.
I have been called up by some of the uglier, hateful brand of IFB preachers stating they heard i "accept alien immersion, and use canned music!" LOL!!!
I've never immersed an alien, some weirdos, but no aliens. Wait? Aren't we all aliens and sojourners?!!!! I have then immersed aliens!!!
I used to get called often by the KJVO, anti-canned music, hate-mongering preachers. But they oft wanted me to speak at fellowships, and actually enjoyed my rebuttal of their KJV onlyisms. You can get away with a lot if you say it with grace and a smile.
"Alien Immersion!!!" LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!! We're all aliens! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
convicted1
Guest
Didn't you get it with the movie ET? He was wanting to "phone home", because no one down here would baptize him.....LOL :laugh:
preacher4truth
Active Member
They do all of the above, and then some.
I had one friend whom they left in the baptistry waters for over an hour (not in midst of immersion) and said he could not come out until he gave evidence of being Baptized in the Spirit (spoke in tongues.)
So they sang and sang until he did. He said he faked it so he could get out.
He said he felt really bad for faking it, but wanted out of the water.
Several excellent questions, Jesusfan.
1) the Greek word means to immerse, not sprinkle, and why would John baptize Jesus in the river Jordan, if the idea was to sprinkle? So the biblical idea of being "baptized" by immersion in water by men as commanded by Christ seems solidly supported by :Matthew 28:19, Romans 6:1-5
2) The prerequisite for being water baptized seemed to be belief in Jesus as demonstrated by exhibiting the effects of the Holy Spirit. So, today, we ask for testimony of our proclamation of faith, and of our changed life as evidence of the effects of the Holy Spirit, Acts 10:47.
3) The churches I have belonged to required either to be baptized, which I was at age 15 as a professing believer, or by letter stating I had been water baptized, which is how I became a member of my current church. When I was baptized, I was given a baptismal certificate, which I still proudly have in my treasured documents.
1) the Greek word means to immerse, not sprinkle, and why would John baptize Jesus in the river Jordan, if the idea was to sprinkle? So the biblical idea of being "baptized" by immersion in water by men as commanded by Christ seems solidly supported by :Matthew 28:19, Romans 6:1-5
2) The prerequisite for being water baptized seemed to be belief in Jesus as demonstrated by exhibiting the effects of the Holy Spirit. So, today, we ask for testimony of our proclamation of faith, and of our changed life as evidence of the effects of the Holy Spirit, Acts 10:47.
3) The churches I have belonged to required either to be baptized, which I was at age 15 as a professing believer, or by letter stating I had been water baptized, which is how I became a member of my current church. When I was baptized, I was given a baptismal certificate, which I still proudly have in my treasured documents.
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Van is correct- however, the English word baptism can mean to sprinkle, dip, or immerse. See link here . Remember in KJV 101, we were taught that KJ commttee tranlisterated the word baptize rather than making a direct translation.
As long a a person has been scripitually baptized (immersion) he does not need to be baptized again. In fact, I would not do it a second time for someone.
They teach and believe in baptism SAME way as we baptists do...
Full Immersion, to be done once you have believed in jesus Christ...
The oneness CULT teaches /practices baptism in name of Jesus only, you MUST have it that way, as that is when your sins sre remitted and salvation completed. Also, MUST speak in tongues to show saved...
So they say jesus+Baptism+Tongues =saved
What if I was baptised in the Church of Christ, who teach baptismal regeneration when I was 12, and wish to join a baptist church at 30?
That must have been either a fringe AG or else a Word of Faith Church...
The "official" AG position is same as official baptist, full immersion in names of Father, Son, Spirit, and to be applied once someone has made a profession of faith in Jesus!
preacher4truth
Active Member
Yes.
Remember, when this was first brought up, it included also "pentecostal types" so my explanation wasn't limited to AG when speaking of baptism, but of these others also.
My friend wasn't in an AG, he was in some type of Holiness church.
AG are generally right on baptism.
Tom Butler
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Scriptural baptism requires four things:
1. The proper subject-----a professing believer
2. The proper mode-------immersion
3. The proper design------to picture the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and signify our own death to sin and rising to new life in Christ.
4. The proper administrator.
It is the fourth requirement where we have disagreement. The proper administrator is one authorized to baptize by a New Testament Church. Baptists believe we are true New Testament churches and will accept the baptism of any church of like faith and order. This may exclude some Baptist congregations. Our church will not accept the baptism of Free-Will Baptists or General Baptists, among others because of their beliefs and practice.
Those who teach error are not churches of like faith and order and thus do not qualify as New Testament churches.
Churches who attach sacramental value to baptism and the Lord's Supper cannot qualify as a New Testament church.
Churches whose mode of baptism is other than immersion cannot qualify as New Testament churches.
Churches who baptize other than professing believers (such as infants) cannot qualify as New Testament Churches.
To those who argue that the Administrator of baptism is not important, I would point out that Jesus walked many miles to submit to baptism by the proper administrator---John the Baptist.
Further, Jesus selected twelve disciples, all of whom had been baptized by John the Baptist.
And one of the qualifications for the disciple who replaced Judas--Matthias--was that he had to have been baptized by John.
1. The proper subject-----a professing believer
2. The proper mode-------immersion
3. The proper design------to picture the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus and signify our own death to sin and rising to new life in Christ.
4. The proper administrator.
It is the fourth requirement where we have disagreement. The proper administrator is one authorized to baptize by a New Testament Church. Baptists believe we are true New Testament churches and will accept the baptism of any church of like faith and order. This may exclude some Baptist congregations. Our church will not accept the baptism of Free-Will Baptists or General Baptists, among others because of their beliefs and practice.
Those who teach error are not churches of like faith and order and thus do not qualify as New Testament churches.
Churches who attach sacramental value to baptism and the Lord's Supper cannot qualify as a New Testament church.
Churches whose mode of baptism is other than immersion cannot qualify as New Testament churches.
Churches who baptize other than professing believers (such as infants) cannot qualify as New Testament Churches.
To those who argue that the Administrator of baptism is not important, I would point out that Jesus walked many miles to submit to baptism by the proper administrator---John the Baptist.
Further, Jesus selected twelve disciples, all of whom had been baptized by John the Baptist.
And one of the qualifications for the disciple who replaced Judas--Matthias--was that he had to have been baptized by John.
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Yes, those being water baptized should understand that the water baptism just gets you wet, but the spiritual baptism of the believer being placed, immersed in Christ, is the baptism into the death and resurrection of Christ, Romans 6:1-5
And Tom is right again when he says we disagree about not accepting the baptism letter of a professing Christian, based on rejecting non-Calvinist doctrine. If a candidate is a professing Christian with a changed life, but does not grasp doctrine as a fellowship does, he should be tutored, and accepted like Apollos.
And Tom is right again when he says we disagree about not accepting the baptism letter of a professing Christian, based on rejecting non-Calvinist doctrine. If a candidate is a professing Christian with a changed life, but does not grasp doctrine as a fellowship does, he should be tutored, and accepted like Apollos.