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Should some beats be avoided?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by Sopranette, Nov 29, 2007.

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  1. Sopranette

    Sopranette New Member

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    Should you avoid certain beats to music, no matter how worshipful the lyrics are? I'm mostly talking about CCM, where some of the beats are very similar to rock. I have not encountered this problem with learning older hymns, though I could be wrong. There is one song I was taught recently that even involved a reggae beat! It is my understanding that, in some parts of the world, certain beats are used to move people spiritually closer to their gods, and should be avoided by Christians. Yes or no?

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  2. Joshua Rhodes

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    No. Sorry my answer's short, but I'm sure you'll get all the "technical info" you'll need from some others.
     
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  3. Sopranette

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    Okay, if no, do you ever draw a line? Is pop okay, but heavy metal is not? Is blue grass okay, but blues is not? I would have drawn a line on the reggae beat, since that particular beat IS a part of rastafarian worhip ceremonies.

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  4. Joshua Rhodes

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    It depends on what I'm doing. For Sunday morning worship, heavy metal wouldn't speak well here. But bluegrass would. Last Sunday night I sang a song in a big band jazz style. I don't put limitations on the worship we use, if I can justify its use.
     
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    I agree that the short answer is no.

    As the worship leader (and preacher) at my church, I understand that there are some things that may not be appropriate for the worship service at my church, but as for personal listening or worship, it believe it is all far game. Whatever floats your boat!

    In other words, i do not believe that there is a "Devil's Beat' in music. But, as you're fixing to see, there are many her on the BB who disagree with that.
     
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    Hey, Joshua. What was the song? I love big-band jazz!
     
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  7. Sopranette

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    Wasn't Jazz the anti-establishment music of the time? It just makes me think of prohibition, people dancing and drinking in underground clubs. Man, I'm old fashioned!

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    Does the Bible speak against certain beats...

    Be careful to not call something unclean that is clean...
     
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    Only if its of the edible variety.:laugh:
     
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    Oh, you mean beats as in music not beets as in food. I guess it all is according to taste regardless. I do draw the line when the dancing starts.
     
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  11. Joshua Rhodes

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    I sang "Blessed Assurance" as arranged by Denver and the Mile High Orchestra. If you go here, you can listen to a little snippet:

    http://www.denvermho.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_music_info&cPath=5_11&products_id=78

    My congregation sang along with me and had a great time. We then went into a time of testimonies and saw how the Lord had given several in our congregation the opportunity to tell others in the past week: This is my story!
     
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  12. Sopranette

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    So we should keep adding variety to our worship music at the cost of carnal pleasure? Just to keep our churches full and our congregation interested enough?

    BTW, "Blessed Assurance" was written in 1873, waaay before Big Band Jazz.

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  13. SBCPreacher

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    Do they have a track out for that?
     
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    I think you are reading a whole lot into this that was never said. If music having a beat is giving you difficulty with "carnal pleasure," then leave it alone.

    Jazz doesn't bring about "carnal pleasure" to me. I like jazz. I appreciate it. I like the sound, the melodies, the chord structure, the amazing ability of some performers to play jazz. I like hearing saxes, trumpets, trombones, pianos, basses. I like the creativity of the performers and arrangers. One of the reasons I appreciate it is because I understand it.

    BTY, you do know that there current are arrangements of 1873 hymns, dontcha?
     
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  15. tinytim

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    You may want to check with Chick publications....

    OH WAIT>> You said Track.. not Tract!!!:laugh:
     
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    Ha, ha! You'se funny.
     
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    I have a problem with the idea that if something is enjoyable down here it is a sin...
    God gave us pleasures..

    It seems that the only things that are carnal are the things OTHERS like that we think (or was raised in a culture to think) they are sin...

    Drums are not a sin... if they are, where is it in scripture.
    Same with beat patterns...

    Just because we enjoy something here in the flesh doesn't mean it is a sin...
     
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    Well, look who knows so much. You must have quite a gift to be able to discern Joshua's motives for using a particular song from a post on the BB.

    Is there something inherently wrong with music that makes us feel good?
     
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    Thanks, cc. I'm sure whatever you had to add was snide, sarcastic, and generally non productive.

    My main issue about certain beats is that they were originally used in non Christian sacred ceremonies, and do not glorify God, but entertain the congregation, instead. I listened to the Blessed Assurance track, and to me it just sounded flippant. The lyrics are completely lost. If I had heard this version before the more traditional one, I would never have known it was a song about praising God for the gift of salvation. "Perfect submission", not!

    love,

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  20. tinytim

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    Are you saying that if something:

    • Is entertaining (enjoyable) to a congregation
    • or
    • If it had it's beginnings in the world
    It is not to be used in a worship service?
    Are you prepared to follow this to it's logical conclusion?
    If so, you need to prepare yourself to become Amish.

    There goes Anything to do with Christmas, Easter, take your cross down it began in paganism.. the steeple, music to beloved hymns will have to be changed... one comes to mind... "Joyful, Joyful we adore thee" is set to a worldly tune....
    The church cannot use soundtracts, TVs, DVDs, VCRs, computers, Soundsytems, No cologne must be worn because it is enjoyable to others...forget about indoor plumbing..
    I hope you don't have a kitchen attached to your church property... after all, Paul said that if you are hungry, eat at home... so there goes food from fellowship...

    And what about your personal worship...
    Wouldn't it be inconsistant to worship in a setting that is comfortable... even in personal circumstances...

    Oh, padded pews add to comfort, heating, air conditioning...

    The piano would have to go, as well as the organ... both were worldly..
    And both entertain people...

    I know I am being an extremist in this post, but that is where your argument ends up if you follow it out...

    The fact is Certain beats make you uncomfortable, certain music makes you uncomfortable, and you are equating YOUR comfort to that of Gods will...

    Be careful.. because someone could turn that around...
    I personally am uncomfortable singing old stuffy hymns... They don't have the joy in them I am trying to proclaim to God like the current Praise and Worship music does...
    I relate more to P&W when worshipping God...
    Should I kick hymns because you enjoy them and I don't feel they are up to snuff for my worship to God? No of course not...

    It all boils down to personal opinions...

    And you are entitled to yours.. I am to mine...
    Just be careful to not call your opinion truth...
    Nor is my opinion truth... they are just opinions..

    The Bible doesn't say one way or another, so we are left to our own opinions and interpretations...


    OH, the joy of being a Baptist, and the priesthood of the believer.
     
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