Sin Unto Death

Amen Bro. Lacy!

I am not sure where the "sin unto death" has to be the second death. There is plenty of evidence in scripture that it is physical death as you have pointed out.

Max

 

There are only two verses in the Word of God that speak of a 'sin unto death'.

The contrast in this verse does not point to life and death, but righteousness and death. I do not believe this is speaking of a physical death. Paul contrasted sin unto death with obedience unto righteousness. The sin unto death must be disobedience, for obedience is the contrasting view here. The Greek word for death here is 'Thanatos'. It can be viewed either literally or figuratively. The Word 'sin' here is the Greek word 'hamartia' which means sin or offense.

Here, 'Thanatos' is used again. Figurative? Literal? Sin, in this verse is not the same as in Romans 6, it is the Greek word 'hamartano'. There are more meanings for this word here. Its meanings are '(as a negative particle) properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin:--for your faults, offend, sin, trespass'.

 

Amen HBSMN:.......... Good answer.

I see the OP went back to the OT to get scriptures except 4 verses and they are all the same death because they had lied to the Holy Ghost.

 

I agree with Lacy.
It is not simply a lie to the Holy Spirit Bob. It is sinning against the Lord to the point where you bring shame on His name and he sees fit to bring judgment in the way of death to prevent you from bringing further shame to the name of Christ, and to prevent you from losing more loss of reward at the JSOC.

Ananias and Sapphira died as a result of their hypocrisy.
Those in 1Cor.11:30 died because they abused the Lord's Table. Read the passage there and you find that some were drunk and others had been gluttonous.

A sin unto death is any sin that God sees fit to judge because it is bringing shame on His name. I know of some Christians who pray: "Lord if this person does not repent we pray that you would take him out of this world."
It would be better for some to die rather than to continue in sin.

 

Lacy

This is a great thread . . . and I may have to break out my GNT . . .

 

Oh, but you don't think claiming to be saved while committing adultery does not bring shame on His name? :laugh:

 

Well, the question came up when DHK said all sin were the same, now He is saying they are not that some sins can bring physical death, so he is admitting to difference in sin.

I believe it to be any sin that you never repent of. I don't know any Christian that don't believe sin brings death if not forgiven, therefore sin unto death. Whether it is a physical death or the second death does not evade the question, is there a difference in sin.

I believe it to be the second death myself, but others can believe as they wish. Which ever one it is, it don't mean that believers can molest and kill their own child.

There is a difference in sin and this thread proves it even more.

Jhn 19:11Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

 

I believe you posted one on the other thread before going to bed last night but who is counting? Also, who cares whether you think its proper or not.

Wonder why, if they were covered and cast in the sea of forgetfulness. Then God does all of a sudden remember them again. Did God lie or change His mind or what?

Also, adultery unrepented of, will that bring death?

 

The contexts of all these verses where the words "second death" are found probably means the death of all those who were raised in order for the last judgement to take place. It indicates that the second death means the last judgement. But it is advisable not to make a doctrine from verses taken other than from the teaching portions of the Holy Scriptures.

 

From everything I've been able to find on the subject, the sin unto death is a willful, intentional and unrepented sin. Some of you say that all sin is willful. But, that is not what Paul says.

Romans 7
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

I do that which I do not want to do. This sin is not willful.


Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

Numbers 15
30 ‘But the person who does anything presumptuously, whether he is native-born or a stranger, that one brings reproach on the LORD, and he shall be cut off from among his people.

2 Peter 2
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning

 

Sea of Forgetfulness? Sorry guys, I cannot find that term in the Word of God, nor on any geographical map I have. Can you point out where it is?


... or have you conveniently forgot?

Notice nowhere is a Sea of Forgetfulness seen. Is it because of man-written lyrics such as those found in 'My Sins Are Gone' that such phrases are believed to be fact?

 

another good verse to go along with the ones Amy posted is this one:

 

Oops! I forgot that one. Thanks HBSMN.

 

Good Morning all!

Yes Bro. Bob, it certainly does bring disgrace and shame to His Name when a believer commits such an act...and He "MIGHT" just kill them because of it.

Max

 

Another thought. Sins such as adultery or child molestation have to be willful sins, do they not? These sins do not just happen. They are thought out over a long period of time. Certain things take place first like lust, fantasies, a look, a touch, a phone call. Or now days, the internet is a place where a lot of this takes place. The Holy Spirit would convict so heavily along the way, that in order to actually carry out the final act, one would have to willfully ignore the warnings. By the time the act takes place, ones heart would be hardened toward God.

 

Amy,

Ananias and Saphira committed a pre-meditated willful sin of lying to the Holy Spirit (pretty serious I think) yet there is no evidence anywhere that they were NOT Christians or that they lost their salvation.

This account is a perfect example of "a sin unto death" where the resulting death was the chastening hand of God on these two believers.

Max