Slain in the Spirit?

[tamborine lady]

I noticed that this was being discussed on the Baptist only part of the board, and I just thought I would start a thread here so we could all discuss it together.

The way I see it is in Acts 10-10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,

The word trance to me is the same as "slain".

The definition of trance in the Strongs is:

1611. ekstasiv ekstasis, ek'-stas-is
Search for 1611 in KJV

from 1839; a displacement of the mind, i.e. bewilderment, "ecstasy":--+ be amazed, amazement, astonishment, trance.

This is what happened to Peter when the sheet was lowered from heaven.
```````````````````````````````````

2 Cor-2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

This is Pauls account, of something that happened out of the realm of the ordinary.

Why do we call it slain in the Spirit? Because it is a spiritual thing, when God can heal you,body and Spirit, give you revelation, or whatever He wants to do.

Now I know there are those of you who will say this is not of God. If that is the case, why did it happen to Peter and Paul as they were doing the Lords work?

Please use scripture to make your case.

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

[Marcia]

Falling into a trance does not mean "slain in the Spirit." This passage shows that it was a vision or revelation given by God.

The way slain in the spirit is done now is at the instigation of the minister or pastor who's doing it. It is falling on the ground, which in the bible is only done when one sees angels or falls before the Lord (and they voluntarily fall forward).

The soldiers fell backwards but they were not believers and this was not a good thing.

Paul was taken into the 3rd heaven and this was done by God. These are not things we should intitate - these are things God instigated and they are the exception, not the norm.

Paul and Peter were both apostles; we are not.

What Christians seem to want now is to instigate things that in the Bible only God initiated, and very rarely.

 

[music4Him]

Where does it say in the Bible that the direction you fall is bad? BTW, if some see falling backwards is a bad thing...remember that Goliath fell forwards (facedown) when David killed him with a stone.

*Just a note.... being slain in the Spirit is also refered to "falling out under the power of God."

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by music4Him:
Where does it say in the Bible that the direction you fall is bad? BTW, if some see falling backwards is a bad thing...remember that Goliath fell forwards (facedown) when David killed him with a stone.

*Just a note.... being slain in the Spirit is also refered to "falling out under the power of God."

So is that what happened with Goliath??

 

[DHK]

1 Samuel 19:23-24 And he went thither to Naioth in Ramah: and the Spirit of God was upon him also, and he went on, and prophesied, until he came to Naioth in Ramah. And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Wherefore they say, Is Saul also among the prophets?

This is the closest instance in the Bible of one being "slain in the Spirit."
Now you have to ask the questions:
What kind of man was Saul: Spiritual or carnal?
Was he saved or unsaved?
Did he end up in heaven or hell?

 

[music4Him]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by music4Him:
Where does it say in the Bible that the direction you fall is bad? BTW, if some see falling backwards is a bad thing...remember that Goliath fell forwards (facedown) when David killed him with a stone.

*Just a note.... being slain in the Spirit is also refered to "falling out under the power of God."

So is that what happened with Goliath?? </font>[/QUOTE]DHK, I should have been a little more plain when replying to Marcia when I posted.

One argument that people sometimes make against being "slain in the Spirit" is that falling backwards is always a sign of divine judgment in the Bible, and falling forwards (or falling facedown) is a sign of reverence and worship in the Bible. In other words, falling forwards is always "good," and falling backwards is always "bad." According to this argument, when modern Christians fall backwards while receiving prayer, it shows that being "slain in the Spirit" is a bad thing.

Marcia

is this what you ment when saying falling backward is a bad thing?

 

[tamborine lady]

Marcia said:Falling into a trance does not mean "slain in the Spirit." This passage shows that it was a vision or revelation given by God.

Tam says: That's what happens to people who are slain in the Spirit, a vision, or revelation from God, healing, or any thing else God wants to do. They may even hear things that no man should utter, for all I know.

I have seen people slain in the Spirit when they fall forward, some fall backwards. So by your definition, you would be adnitting that some of them are truly falling under the Spirit!!

Also, I do agree that sometimes people "fake" it as it were. We all know that satan only fakes the good stuff. If it didn't exist,he wouldn't want to do it.

God is the one that causes people to fall out in the Spirit.

By the way, what you said about Peter and Paul is your opinion. You show me no scripture foe your conjectures.

So, please give me scripture for what you have decided is true.

Selah,

Tam

 

[Marcia]

Music4Him, yes, that is part of what I was saying. The examples of people falling in the Bible are not being "slain in the spirit" but of falling forward out of reverence, or in the case of the Roman soldiers, being unable to withstand the presence of Christ because they were pagans.

In any case, if "slain in the spirit" exists (which I do not believe it does exist as those who teach it say it does), it is initiated only by God, not by any man or by any man wielding the HS as thought the HS is a force.

Mesmer and Quimby, originators of New Thought, claimed to wield a special force and they went around using it just as Benny Hinn does with what he claims is the HS. Mesmer could walk into a room and people would fall to the ground (Mesmer was not a Christian, btw). People are "slain" in other religions as well, such as Hinduism. None of this is the HS.

 

[tamborine lady]

Marcia saidMesmer and Quimby, originators of New Thought, claimed to wield a special force and they went around using it just as Benny Hinn does with what he claims is the HS. Mesmer could walk into a room and people would fall to the ground (Mesmer was not a Christian, btw). People are "slain" in other religions as well, such as Hinduism. None of this is the HS.

Tam says:I agree that there are a lot of things like those that do happen! But let's not get distracted by what satans crowd is doing. Like I said before he counterfeits the good things that God has to offer.

The way that Benny Hinn does it (in my opinion) is not of God. But people should get their eyes off of the T.V. peaple and concentrate on Gods way. I have never been to a church where people got slain in the Spirit Everytime there was a service. God does not work that way. Neither do I agree with picking them back up and laying hands on them again.

God is quite capable of doing whatever it is the first time.

The Holy Spirit is not a force, He is the third PERSON of the trinity.

Working for Jesus,

Tam

 

[webdog]

Why does this only happen in certain denominations? If this were "from God", why does it not happen in all and every biblical church throughout the world?

 

[tamborine lady]

Hebrews 11-6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Matthew 7-7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

If the church one goes to does not believe that something is for today, then you will not see it there.

One must believe it can happen, ask for it to happen and be willing to accept it when it does.

Selah,

Tam

 

[tamborine lady]

Hebrews 11-6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


That scripture that I posted in my last post, is not meant to say that people who don't see these things are not saved.

Of course they know Jesus as their personal savior.

There are some things however (in my opinion) that they don't believe God does that they won't see.

Tam

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:
The way that Benny Hinn does it (in my opinion) is not of God. But people should get their eyes off of the T.V. peaple and concentrate on Gods way. I have never been to a church where people got slain in the Spirit Everytime there was a service. God does not work that way. Neither do I agree with picking them back up and laying hands on them again.

Glad to see you don't endorse Benny Hinn's way!

The Holy Spirit is not a force, He is the third PERSON of the trinity.

I like you, Tam Lady, even though we disagree on some things.

 

[tamborine lady]

Thanks Marcia, I needed that!!

Peace,

Tam

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

Hebrews 11-6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Matthew 7-7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

If the church one goes to does not believe that something is for today, then you will not see it there.

One must believe it can happen, ask for it to happen and be willing to accept it when it does.

Selah,

Tam

These verses do not support being "slain" happening only in certain denominations because of greater faith and "asking" for it. This is limiting God's power, and in essence giving the power to man by keeping Him from doing something that would be a so called blessing and lifting up His church just because we never "asked". I know plenty of biblical churches and denomination that have great faith that this has never happened to. Only charismatic churches. Saul never asked to be thrown to the ground. If the Holy Spirit wants to "slay" us, He will and does not need our blessing. The bottome line is that it is not a biblical principle, and not found in the Bible.

 

[tamborine lady]

You are welcome to your opinion Webdog. And that is exactly what it is, your opinion!

If you do not like my explanation, perhaps you should pray about it and ask God.

BTW, I see no scripture to support your conjecture.

Selah,

Tam

 

[webdog]

It's not that I don't like your explanation, or the fact you tried, but it limits God. I still have yet for anyone to answer me why ONLY certain denominations (all charismatic, by the way) are blessed by being "slain". To say that all denominations besides charismatics do not have enough faith, if false. The Bible teaches we need only the faith of a mustard seed to move mountains.

BTW, I see no scripture to support your conjecture.

What would that be, that God issovereign, and man isn't?

 

[music4Him]

Originally posted by webdog:
It's not that I don't like your explanation, or the fact you tried, but it limits God. I still have yet for anyone to answer me why ONLY certain denominations (all charismatic, by the way) are blessed by being "slain". To say that all denominations besides charismatics do not have enough faith, if false. The Bible teaches we need only the faith of a mustard seed to move mountains.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />BTW, I see no scripture to support your conjecture.

What would that be, that God issovereign, and man isn't? </font>[/QUOTE]I don't want this post to be misunderstood but after reading before pressing the post button it seemed that some would take it another way than how its being offered. *In all sincerity not to convert. Would the Lord give you a Corvette if you didn't want one? Have you asked the Lord for the gift of talking in tongues like that spoken of in the New Testament? I'm really not trying to cause a ruckus, but some have not because they ask not or have been taught its not for today. Thats alright I was told the same thing growing up.

 

[tamborine lady]

Webdog said: It's not that I don't like your explanation, or the fact you tried, but it limits God. I still have yet for anyone to answer me why ONLY certain denominations (all charismatic, by the way) are blessed by being "slain". To say that all denominations besides charismatics do not have enough faith, if false. The Bible teaches we need only the faith of a mustard seed to move mountains.

Tam says: Saying it limits God is like saying He will send everyone to heaven because He doesn't want any to perish. We all know that's not true!!

Music is right. The scripture I posted backs up her statement. Why can't you see that Webdog??

Selah,

Tam

[ October 02, 2005, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: tamborine lady ]

 

[tamborine lady]

Also, here's an illustration for you.

If you were hungry, I had a sandwich in my hand, and I held it out to you, and you started becking away like a deer caught in the headlights, waving your arms and saying NO,NO, thats not for me!!!

If you never accepted it,you would still be hungry. Even if I chased you all over the place, if you don't take it you're still hungry.

Think about that in the context of God trying to give you something.

Selah,

Tam