So Nice To Be Consistently Unethically Inconsistent

??? Someone is going to have to explain to me what the problem is with a woman teaching a language and also how a language becomes a Biblical language and what that even has to do with spiritual authority.

Please?

 

I was there when this happened. I had Dr. Klouda as a prof. She is WORLD CLASS.

This whole thing sickens me to the core. The administration "released" her while her husband was in the deep bouts of cancer and cut all her medical coverage.

Dr. Sheri Klouda is an outstanding Christian and any high credit to institution where she serves.

While at SWBTS she was one of the two top Hebrew professors. A passionate educator and fine classroom technician. I took Dr. Klein as well and he spoke highly her and her abilities. He too is a fine Christian educator whom I am lucky enough to sat under his tutelage.

What has happened to her, Dr Karen Bullock, and other female and dissenting professors at SWBTS and other SBC seminaries is both unethical and, frankly, less than authentically Christian.

Regardless of your view on whether or not women should be teaching men, we are Christians and how we treat people in need speaks volumes for our witness for Christ.

I'm glad we're having this conversation so more will know about this tragedy.

 

Preaching Jesus - Thanks for your perspective. Patterson makes a mess of most everything he tries, but he keeps failing upwardly.

 

==I love how this rather lame excuse is dragged out every now and then to justify such actions. The fact is that the Bible says nothing about women teaching men Biblical languages or theology outside of the church. The passages this McClain gentlement would reference are refering to the church, not a school. Southwestern's actions, if based on the above "excuse", are unBiblical.

 

Totally off topic but I believe that hunting for "sport" is immoral. It is a violation of the duty God gave humanity in the garden. Hunting and farming for food, or resources, is fine but not hunting for sport. When I was at Southeastern I had a chance to visit in Dr Patterson's office. It was freaky. All of those dead eyes staring at you from his wall. Made me nervous.

 

I have no words.

 

I'll suggest that Dr. Patterson did help with the turn around of the SBC as a whole and Southeastern Seminary specifically. I appreciate his commitments to biblicism and missions.

One thing to mention before I continue I'll also say that I have seen when a fellow student and friend of mine was killed in Iraq while serving with the IMB (several other missionaries died in this incident.) I went to the chapel service and very much appreciated Dr. Patterson's personal passion and love for his students that he expressed in that service. We can disagree, heartily, about many administrative choices and so forth...but before the assembly I'm more than happy to stand up and give a good testimony for his heart for the nations and for those being trained at his seminaries.

While at SWBTS I there during the regime change and was deeply troubled, along with other classmates, with the massive additions onto the mansion. We were simply dismayed that several of our mutual friends were eating ramen and sharing textbooks while this massive $100k plus project was going on in plain site. I ust think we could have been better stewards.

While I disagree with the fiscal positioning in building this new addition, I do understand a man wanting to have his personal library available to only him. For what it's worth I sympathize at that point...but I have a massive library and have some of it in storage as we speak and don't want it in widespread cirrculation.

There is something to be said for transparency and honesty in leadership. I think the SBC is going through a crisis that parrallels the Congressional Republicans since their takeover in '92. The Repubs squandered their majority and got to work not for the American people but to pilfer the treasury and line their pockets and their friends' pockets. They held onto power and didn't listen to the electorate. They initially took on reform, then became the party needing reform the most. The parrallels are astounding. From the NAMB situation, to Bro. Burleson's dilemmas, etc. there is much that should happen.

I still say we should sell off all the denominational, move into less than lavish accomodations and put all the profit into missions and missionaries.

I'm still glad that word about this travesty is getting out. Dr. Klouda is a fine person and educator. We lost much when she was "released."

 

Southwestern sends me requests for money monthly. After the Presidential Biltmore Mansion was upgraded to the Taj Mahal, (especially considering the squalid seminary-owned rodent-infested dump we lived in) I no longer throw those "requests" away.

I sent the postage-paid envelope back this time, with a letter expressing my concerns over their apparent lack of stewardship.

I doubt anyone ever read my letter.

 

Tragic. Beyond words.

 

I like the title of the thread

it's something that has been consistent with the Southern Baptist association, if you consider it's policy towards Slavery and the expansion into Native-owned lands .... It's hard for me to comprehend how people with such a clear vision of Christ's word( and we know they had it by their actions in other areas of life) could ignore the countries actions against the Native Nations and SUPPORT the abuse and denegration of African Slaves, both foreign and American Born.


So, seeing how we were able to "justify" those horrors, how difficult can it be to convince yourself that a woman shouldn't teach Hebrew, despite her claims on you as her "boss"?

 

I'd prefer the SBC establish K thru Junior College for our youngsters. Open up all those buildings and all our local church buildings to educate our kids, using volunteer staff & teachers. Get them out of the horrible public school system. If we don't, we'll raise generations who have zero interest in missions.

 

well the ATS (Association of Theological Schools...the accreditation body that works with Southwestern) has had a formal complaint about this whole business. Sadly this complaint came from neither a current professor or Dr. Klouda herself...but from a part time student who probably should have no business filing the complaint imho.

We'll see how this works out, though I wish the complaint would have been filed by two of the above sources (particularly since I know several faculty that were appaulled about this series of events), and hope that this never again happens to a fine educator who is beloved by her students.

And let us not forget that this also happened to Dr. Karen Bullock just a mere 6 months before Dr. Sheri Klouda. Both were two of the finest profs I had at Southwestern.

 

I mean no offense to you personally when I say but this is exactly the kind of reasoning that is suffocating Christianity in our current generation.

We need to be fully plugged into society and not shrinking back into our holy huddles. The church isn't for Christians so we can never be involved society, but it is to equip us as we are going to reach everyone with the peace of the Gospel and so we can continually commission ourselves to reach everyone all the time.

Again no offense, this is a different mindset for ministry I guess. Also I disagree that our public schools are horrible...rather I find most of them better than any Christian school I've ever heard of. Blessings on your journey.