Sola Scriptura

[Martin]

Martin you want to go off on all types of tangents by raising questions on several issues, which require there own thread. Please stick to the subject of the Post.

Since it is now more than clear that you will not reply to what I have written, all of which is related to sola scriptura, I have no intention on wasting my time here any longer. If you change your mind let me know.

 

[El_Guero]

I am 43 years of age. I grew up Baptist, Pentecostal, Congregational Holiness(holy rollers).

You can not be Baptist and Holy Roller. You just went to church. You wanted to be spoon fed - go RCC and take your spoon fed weakness with you. But, don't become a priest - they don't need baby Christians - they need mature Christians.

 

[mojoala]

You can not be Baptist and Holy Roller. You just went to church. You wanted to be spoon fed - go RCC and take your spoon fed weakness with you. But, don't become a priest - they don't need baby Christians - they need mature Christians.

That was not very charitable.

 

[annsni]

Can I just address that large C&P about the Baptist abuses? I didn't fully understand what happened in there (I'm being very distracted by fixing dinner and having 4 hungry kids and a hungry hubby) but what was said in the beginning is wrong. In a true Biblical church, there IS accountability. I belong to an independent Baptist church (not an IFB - just independent) and we have a Senior Pastor along with 8 other Associate Pastors. We also have a deacon board and then a congregation. There are things that the congregation need to vote on (passing the budget and allowing new members in are 2 things that I've been involved in) but then there are things that just the pastors deal with and things that the pastors and deacons deal with. We've just had to excommunicate someone and it was not the congregations' business but it was done with the pastors and deacons involved. If there EVER was an issue of abuse anywhere in our church, I promise you - with a VERY big promise - that it would be dealt with swifly, legally and Biblically. There'd be no tucking this away or anything AND the victim would be able to get counselling - either from us or someone else. I can't imagine a true church allowing this to happen. Of course, there are those churches who are NOT Biblical churches and do not follow the Word of God - and if any are in a large organization like the SBC, I would be very disappointed if nothing was done at all.

But then again, what does this have to do with Sola Scriptura?

Ann

 

[El_Guero]

mojoala

If telling you to not take your problems into their priesthood is 'not charitable', then how will you handle conservative Catholics?

You desire charity from others, yet in your midlife crisis, you have spent quite a bit of time blaming Baptists for the ills of your World.

Yes, we do have problems. Let our problems be real Baptist problems and not distorted theological arguments that were settled almost 2,000 years ago. Go. Leave your Baptist problems behind.

Just get settled with your theology before you take this distortion into the priesthood. The Catholic church has enough of their own problems.

 

[Eric B]

some would argue all doctrinal dispute are major and to claim some are minor is just an attempt to downplay it's significance.

The issue of tradition is also a doctrinal dispute.

We have several examples referring to Oral Tradition.

Matt. 2:23 - the prophecy "He shall be a Nazarene" is oral tradition. It is not found in the Old Testament. This demonstrates that the apostles relied upon oral tradition and taught by oral tradition.

Matt 23:2 - Jesus relies on the oral tradition of acknowledging Moses' seat of authority (which passed from Moses to Joshua to the Sanhedrin). This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

John 19:26; 20:2; 21:20,24 - knowing that the "beloved disciple" is John is inferred from Scripture, but is also largely oral tradition.

Acts 20:35 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the apostles for this statement ("it is better to give than to receive") of Jesus. It is not recorded in the Gospels.

1 Cor. 7:10 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the apostles to give the charge of Jesus that a wife should not separate from her husband.

1 Cor. 10:4 - Paul relies on the oral tradition of the rock following Moses. It is not recorded in the Old Testament. See Exodus 17:1-17 and Num. 20:2-13.

Eph 5:14 - Paul relies on oral tradition to quote an early Christian hymn - "awake O sleeper rise from the dead and Christ shall give you light."

Heb. 11:37 - the author of Hebrews relies on the oral tradition of the martyrs being sawed in two. This is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Jude 9 - Jude relies on the oral tradition of the Archangel Michael's dispute with satan over Moses' body. This is not found in the Old Testament.
Jude 14-15 - Jude relies on the oral tradition of Enoch's prophecy which is not recorded in the Old Testament.

Where's the one on all the barbarism you admitted to? (as well as the rest of Catholic doctrine).
(and I mentioned before that "the rock that followed" meant that Christ came after Moses, not some tradition that He was actually there walking behind them).

 

[BobRyan]

sola scriptura is [FONT=Arial,Arial]2 Peter 1:20-2:1[/FONT]. That's hardly surprising. In this passage Peter rejects the idea of private or individual interpretation: "[FONT=Arial,Arial]No prophecy [/FONT]of scripture is a matter of [FONT=Arial,Arial]one's own interpretation[/FONT]."

This is where Peter tells us that simply "having the Pope tell you what to bevieve is totally bogus"!

Peter says it is THE HOLY Spirit that should tell you - NOT the Pope!!

So what does JOHN SAY about this?

1John 2

26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you.
27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

John agrees - no having the Pope tell you what to think!!

 

[DHK]

But then again, what does this have to do with Sola Scriptura?

Ann

Nothing!
DHK