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Sola Scriptura

Yeshua1

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Would it be similar to the authority of scripture itself in that, take for instance the new testament: The original autographs are the sole authority as to what we believe scripture actually says. The autographs are what are actually and solely inspired. All copies and translations have 'derived authority'.

How can scripture though be the sole authority when without logic or reason they could not have come into existence and since scriptures' existence could not be understood without the use of reason or logic? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the claims though.

Think he means that when can take the church fathers/creeds etc are sources to look at , but that all of those sources have to agree with the bible....
 

Yeshua1

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Michael,
For your consideration, from a Baptist Catechism with Commentary;
Quest. 1: What is the only inspired, infallible and inerrant truth for
man?
Ans: The only inspired, infallible and inerrant truth for man is the
inscripturated Word of God, the Bible.
2 Tim. 3:16–17. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works.
Matt. 4:4. …It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by
every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
See also: Gen. 2:17–19; 3:1–12; Deut. 8:3; Heb. 1:1–3; 2 Pet. 1:20–
21; 3:15–16.
COMMENTARY
Some catechisms and works on theology begin with God and then reason
to the Scriptures as a necessary revelation of and from God. This is a
philosophical approach. We must begin with the Scriptures. The Bible alone
is objective, inscripturated truth (2 Tim. 3:16–17). This should ensure that our
thinking will remain scriptural rather than philosophical in both consistency
and in our approach to Divine realities.
The Bible is our sole rule of both faith [belief, doctrine] and practice [life].
The Scripture is our one objective source of truth and knowledge, and our
standard for proper living because it is the very Word of God inscripturated
[written down]. See Questions 7, 9 and 10. It is through the Scriptures that we
have a true knowledge of God, ourselves and universe about us. We may
know much about God from his creation (Rom. 1:18–20) and from our own
instinctive thought–process, as we have been created in God’s image and
likeness [natural revelation]. But God’s moral self–consistency [his absolutely
righteous character], his redemptive love, his grace and mercy, and other
necessary moral characteristics can be known only through the redemptive
history inscripturated in his Word [special revelation]. See Question 5. It is in
the Scriptures alone that we find salvation from sin, hope of deliverance in the
active and passive obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ; true, objective
reconciliation with God, and the certainty of hope for the future. Nature may
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cheer us with its beauties and wonders; we may have high and lofty thoughts
in our imaginations, but only in the Scriptures do we find the heart of God
revealed and discover the glory and sweetness of the gospel.
Further, we must understand that the Fall has affected the thought–
processes of man, and his perception of spiritual realities is either very limited
or distorted by sin [the noetic effects of sin, from the Gk. noeō, “to perceive,
understand.” Fallen man’s intellectual and moral thought–process and
judgment have been crippled by the Fall. Cf. Rom. 1:21–25; 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph.
4:17–19]. See Questions 37 and 38. Thus, natural revelation [God revealed
through his creation] becomes distorted through a fallen and sinful
perspective.
Finally, what truth man does know through natural revelation to
any extent [sufficient to hold him inexcusable], he seeks to suppress, as it
aggravates his mind, convicts his conscience and sets itself against his natural
and sinful presuppositions (Rom. 1:18–20). See Question 10. The Scripture
does not reveal everything (Deut. 29:29), but it does reveal sufficiently what
we need to know: that we are sinners before God, how to have forgiveness of
sins, how be reconciled to God through the Lord Jesus Christ, how to live
acceptably before him in this life and prepare ourselves for eternity. It is
through the Scriptures alone that we have a consistent Theistic Christian
world–and–life view, a valid Christian experience and a transcendent, yet
practical faith. See Question 121.
Believing that the Bible is the very Word of God inscripturated is not
merely theoretical or abstract. It is the substance of a living faith which rests
in the truth of God’s Word regardless of circumstances. Such belief is not
mere fideism [a bare irrational faith]. Our faith is grounded in the rational
Word of an intelligent, self–revealing God. The witness of the Holy Spirit
authenticates this Word to the mind, heart and soul of the believer. Its
commandments, prophecies, warnings and promises are wholly and infallibly
true. The Scriptures are therefore to form the very fabric of our lives.

To me, the OP seems to be steering towards more of a "high church" view of the Bible and sources such as traditions/church fathers etc are also to be considered!
 

AresMan

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Can one be a Baptist and believe that scripture is the final authority but not the sole authority?
I believe that is rampant in many Baptist churches. Quite a few Baptists hold traditions of men as binding on being "right with God" that are not found in the Scriptures.
 

Michael Wrenn

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I believe that is rampant in many Baptist churches. Quite a few Baptists hold traditions of men as binding on being "right with God" that are not found in the Scriptures.

My position, however, is that all secondary authorities must line up with scripture or else be discarded.
 

humblethinker

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I believe that is rampant in many Baptist churches. Quite a few Baptists hold traditions of men as binding on being "right with God" that are not found in the Scriptures.
So true... it's sad. This kind of thing becomes a new 'orthodoxy' in itself. Many Fundies seem to make this error. :tear:

My position, however, is that all secondary authorities must line up with scripture or else be discarded.
Sounds good to me but maybe there's a semantic issue... maybe there shouldn't be anything else considered as any type of authority when making a comparison to the way "scripture is our authority". Maybe we could just call them "time-tested-and-heretofore-reliable-preferences"?
 

Michael Wrenn

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But if they are to line up fully with the bible, why have any of them?

To provide valuable historical insight and confirmation of truth, and even new spiritual insight on old truths. Or would you discard all writings which provide that throughout history up to the present?
 

Yeshua1

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To provide valuable historical insight and confirmation of truth, and even new spiritual insight on old truths. Or would you discard all writings which provide that throughout history up to the present?

No, just as long as NONE of them was used to prove or make doctrines apart from the Bible!
 
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