Scott Downey
Well-Known Member
I am quoting from a closed thread as I don't like the response here as it is unscriptural.
Scott Downey said: ↑
Taking him out so far has been to create a safer world, obvious to all the guy was a planner of death to them that oppose the Iranian Mullahs. It was a proper US government action sanctioned by God in the secular world. It is not though in our faith to individually be killing anyone as our fight is not against flesh and blood, that is the place of government approved of by God.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
How ironic that you quoted the Apostle Paul right after a comment that is quite contrary to his message.
If we are truly in the right in violating international law in assassinating bad guys (and he was) then let's also put the crosshairs on Kim in NK, Putin, and ... hey, let's get a list started.
Tom Riggle
This comment to mine own is way out of line with what Paul also wrote about the secular government. Not contrary at all what I wrote.
Can you not distinguish between secular governing authorities with authority given to them by God versus our individual faith given to us by God in how things are in the world?
And Romans 13 also authorizes christians who are in the military and police to use capital force in doing their jobs. Yes, we should take out Kim and Iranian leaders and Isis who are overtly obviously evil rulers, no Putin is not an evil ruler. Trump is not an evil ruler. Yes, make up your list. I suppose Hitler should not have been attacked either then?
Even this roman government had an evil ruler at the top, yet Paul tells us the government of their time had authority from God to punish evil doers. How much more so our own government today then.
It is one thing as an individual christian to turn the other cheek and another thing for a government to exact judgement on others, which government does not bear the sword in vain but is authorized by God to inflict punishment on evil doers. Following the bad reasoning given in the response to my own is against God and is lawlessness and anarchy.
Romans 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
Scott Downey said: ↑
Taking him out so far has been to create a safer world, obvious to all the guy was a planner of death to them that oppose the Iranian Mullahs. It was a proper US government action sanctioned by God in the secular world. It is not though in our faith to individually be killing anyone as our fight is not against flesh and blood, that is the place of government approved of by God.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
How ironic that you quoted the Apostle Paul right after a comment that is quite contrary to his message.
If we are truly in the right in violating international law in assassinating bad guys (and he was) then let's also put the crosshairs on Kim in NK, Putin, and ... hey, let's get a list started.
Tom Riggle
This comment to mine own is way out of line with what Paul also wrote about the secular government. Not contrary at all what I wrote.
Can you not distinguish between secular governing authorities with authority given to them by God versus our individual faith given to us by God in how things are in the world?
And Romans 13 also authorizes christians who are in the military and police to use capital force in doing their jobs. Yes, we should take out Kim and Iranian leaders and Isis who are overtly obviously evil rulers, no Putin is not an evil ruler. Trump is not an evil ruler. Yes, make up your list. I suppose Hitler should not have been attacked either then?
Even this roman government had an evil ruler at the top, yet Paul tells us the government of their time had authority from God to punish evil doers. How much more so our own government today then.
It is one thing as an individual christian to turn the other cheek and another thing for a government to exact judgement on others, which government does not bear the sword in vain but is authorized by God to inflict punishment on evil doers. Following the bad reasoning given in the response to my own is against God and is lawlessness and anarchy.
Romans 13 New King James Version (NKJV)
Submit to Government
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will [a]bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
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