Speeding

[Brother Bob]

I'm a trucker and speed limits are "suggestions" to me. No tickets, no wrecks. Am I going to hell? Only a fool would make an assumption based on this.

I am in full agreement with this post.

 

[tinytim]

I John 5:18 That new man that is born in us does not sin, but we still carry around that old nature - hence the speeding - and as Tiny Tim said, we feel guilt and need to get our relationship right with God again. You are the first on here that says the inward part does not sin, I thank you.
I agree with the outward part but not to the point of adultery.

I thought that was a given... It is just so ingrained in me that I forget that there are some that don't agree that the inward man doesn't sin...

Thank you Mr.Bapmom for stating the obvious.

 

[J. Jump]

I hope this makes sense.. I am having trouble today making sense of myself... :BangHead:

Makes more sense now. To me at least.

 

[Brother Bob]

Let me explain this a little... Maybe J.Jump will then understand what I mean.

I have heard that if a person sins, they lose their salvation... I disagree with this because I didn't quit sinning to gain my salvation.... I trusted Christ as my savior....

But IF a person lost his salvation because he sinned that means that God would not be his father...

We are either the child of God or child of Satan..
If we could lose our salvation that means that since God would not be our father, we would be a child of Satan....

Now...
As a child, who has the right to discipline you? Answer: Your parents, or anyone your parents gives that autority to.

As a child of God, God has the right to chastise me.
But if I am a child of Satan, what right does God have to chastise me... He wouldn't be my father...Satan would be.

But it says in Hebrews that He chastises His children.
If they sin, and they lose their salvation, he would not have to chastise them... they would no longer be His children.

I hope this makes sense.. I am having trouble today making sense of myself... :BangHead:

God has all power and you or anyone else can't take it away. I heard some of you say God sent Katrinia and killed all those sinners and righteous. So does he have the power to punish the unsaved also who are His children by creation, I think so.

 

[J. Jump]

I am in full agreement with this post.

Okay Bro. Bob let me ask this question. Since you think that a rebellious Christian will be allowed into heaven, while one who commits the act of adultery will not, what happens to the person that is rebellious, but not an adulterer? Anything?

 

[J. Jump]

His children by creation

Again where are you getting this? Creation makes us creatures.

 

[Brother Bob]

Okay Bro. Bob let me ask this question. Since you think that a rebellious Christian will be allowed into heaven, while one who commits the act of adultery will not, what happens to the person that is rebellious, but not an adulterer? Anything?

He that is without chastisement is a bastard and not a son. Tells me we all do wrong but again, not adultery.

Who created man? Never heard anyone question that we all belong to God by creation. I give you your breath and you live, I take it and you die.

 

[J. Jump]

He that is without chastisement is a bastard and not a son. Tells me we all do wrong but again, not adultery.

That wasn't an answer to my question Bro. Bob. You are using a text that doesn't even speak to adultery per se.

So what if anything happens to the rebel that spends a lifetime in unrepentant sin of speeding?

And you didn't answer my other question either. Where are you getting that we are all God's children because of creation?

 

[tinytim]

God has all power and you or anyone else can't take it away. I heard some of you say God sent Katrinia and killed all those sinners and righteous. So does he have the power to punish the unsaved also who are His children by creation, I think so.

Ok, I don't agree that all mankind are God's children... only the saved are.

But as for the rest of the statement... yes.. He has the power to punish the unsaved...

But punishment is not the only factor in chastisement..
Just like Discipline is not always negative.

We are chastised to bring us more into line with His will...

One day, He will throw the unsaved into Hell to burn forever and ever...(This is where Claudia comes in and says "no") But that is not chastisement..That is righteous judgement.

The only reason I chastise my children is to improve them...
Same way with God..

How can Hell improve anyone?

 

[J. Jump]

Never heard anyone question that we all belong to God by creation. I give you your breath and you live, I take it and you die.

Oh Bro. Bob now you are back to your ole bag of tricks and putting words into my mouth that aren't there. I don't question that we belong to God, what I have questioned is where you are getting that we are all God's "children" via creation.

Creation didn't make you God's child, it made you His creation.

 

[J. Jump]

How can Hell improve anyone?

Great question, but for another thread

 

[tinytim]

He that is without chastisement is a bastard and not a son. Tells me we all do wrong but again, not adultery.

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What makes Adultery more wrong than say, murder....
I'm confused... NO JOKES! :tongue3:

And the reason God does not chastise someone is because they are not His son (or daughter) ooops I am being gender neutral here.. I hope noone is offended.... ah, man, now I am starting to sound PC!!!!

If they are a bastard, are they not part of God's creation, but not His son?

 

[tinytim]

Great question, but for another thread

I thought that would get your attention....:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Brother Bob]

Tim;
He even owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He created us, when did he lose us. If you don't believe your life is in the hands of the Lord, then I am speechless. Not

Bastard, that is being among the children of God, the saved.

 

[J. Jump]

If they are a bastard, are they not part of God's creation, but not His son?

And still a child, just not a son. Being a child of God and being a son of God are two different things.

 

[Claudia_T]

Tim,

Hey I was just looking on my desktop Bible thingy here and trying to find stuff about chastisement and sons and all of that... and that verse about Bastards (sorry about that word)

and I cant find anything actually where it says only the saved are God's children ...are you sure about that? I just never even thought about it before... but it seems like its saying He does that to everyone..

 

[J. Jump]

He even owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He created us, when did he lose us. If you don't believe your life is in the hands of the Lord, then I am speechless. Not

Bob no one has said they don't believe their life or the life of any other is not in the hands of the Lord. What has been questioned and still unanswered is where do you get creation=child? Is that Biblical? If so, then please post the reference. If it's not Biblical then it's not true.

 

[tinytim]

Tim;
He even owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He created us, when did he lose us. If you don't believe your life is in the hands of the Lord, then I am speechless. Not

YOu must be misunderstanding me... I am not saying he loses us... I am trying to say the opposite. I know God is in complete control of my life.

I agree with what you are saying except the point that all mankind is His child... We have to be born again into His family... He adopts us as his child...

and I am trying to figure out why you are making Adultery the evil of all evil... I agree it is VERY, VERY EVIL, But to the same degree as murder.

Please show me where I said anything that would make you think I thought God loses us...

I will reword it to make sense. :thumbsup:

 

[J. Jump]

and I cant find anything actually where it says only the saved are God's children ...are you sure about that? I just never even thought about it before... but it seems like its saying He does that to everyone..

It's in Hebrews. I believe it is chapter 12, but I could be off on that.

God will draw unsaved men, women and children to Himself, but that is not the same thing as discipling a child. Only a child will receive discipline. Only a child that receives the discipline will be a son.

 

[Brother Bob]

Oh Bro. Bob now you are back to your ole bag of tricks and putting words into my mouth that aren't there. I don't question that we belong to God, what I have questioned is where you are getting that we are all God's "children" via creation.

Creation didn't make you God's child, it made you His creation.

Gen 1:28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Luk 3:38




Which was [the son] of Enos, which was [the son] of Seth, which was [the son] of Adam, which was [the son] of God.

I have to keep teaching you J. Jump.