Speeding

[J. Jump]

am a hard debater but there are some on here I really like and you are one of them.

Thanks Bro. Bob. I really like our discussions as well, and you are a very likable guy. I am EXTREMELY surprised to read that you got a 10-day pass from posting.

I am one that thinks one ought to stand up for what they believe. I always say I am right until someone can prove me wrong or the Spirit shows me that I am wrong. That has been done before and I am positive it will be done again. So I continue to learn, but again I will defend what I believe until proven wrong. Hopefully in a congenial manner though

And I don't think that you have been anything but congenial in our discussions.

 

[hillclimber1]

No, we receive it when we are born again.

Oh good answer.

 

[hillclimber1]

How is it not a sin hillclimber? Just curious to know.

The Spirit doesn't convict me. And I'm sensitive to that conviction, as it happens all too often. I also sometimes don't include all the wrappings and shrink wrap when returning something to a store. No conviction there either.

I'm probably most "in the Spirit" at least for long periods while driving my truck. There is way too much damage potential, so every mile is covered in prayer. I greatly fear what a simple mistake on my part can cause, and reliance on the Lord for guidance is mandatory.

 

[Claudia_T]

Oh I see what you are talking about. You are talking about Peter denying Christ three times right?

But I don't think the Holy Spirit would keep a person from denying Christ. The Bible says that there are many that deny Christ. The Holy Spirit doesn't keep us from sinning. He just provides a way of escape, but it is up to us to take the right path.

There are a great many Christians that deny Christ because they don't keep His commandments. I agree that if you keep the two you will keep the others, except the Sabbath as it pertained to the Jews (that will get Claudia's attention :laugh: ).

Unfortunately because we have lost the true way of salvation a LOT of things have gotten destroyed along the way. It's unfortunate, but a reality.

EDIT: I forgot to ask does your congregation worship on Saturdays?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that hurt! that was painful, why oh why do you do this stuff to me JJ?

 

[hillclimber1]

At the risk of being boring: If a trucker can explain a safety reason for behavior leading to a ticket, most all traffic court judges will hear them out and decide in kind. Many tickets are tossed out for reasonable explanations.

 

[J. Jump]

The Spirit doesn't convict me.

So if the Spirit doesn't convict me of cheating on my wife then I'm okay?

 

[J. Jump]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that hurt! that was painful, why oh why do you do this stuff to me JJ?

Sorry didn't intend for it to be painful, just a little jovial jab :laugh:

 

[rbell]

At the risk of being boring: If a trucker can explain a safety reason for behavior leading to a ticket, most all traffic court judges will hear them out and decide in kind. Many tickets are tossed out for reasonable explanations.

Not in Alabama.

Now...as to whether that's stricter judges, or the municipalities just need the revenue more, I can't say...but not many tickets at all are thrown out here.

I'm still not understanding how hc can disobey speed limits and not have a problem. That would seem to be covered under "submitting to those in authority"/magistrates stuff in the NT. Why is it not? (maybe I just missed your explanation if you gave one)

 

[tinytim]

Man, O man, I go to church for a few hours, come back and Bob and JJump are having a love fest!!

Just kidding... I like the hard debating... I don't take anything personal, even when someone means it personal.. I usually laugh it off, or just keep right on with the line of reasoning I am using.

I know both of you all, (Bob, JJump) have been in heated debates with me before.. but I respect your opinions even if I disagree with them...
You are not the self righteous type that drive me batty...That I cannot put up with...

I haven't debated much with Claudia, because I have usually stayed clear of the other demonations thread....until recently,

And even though I disagree with her theology, It is fun debating her...

OK>>>>>NUFF goody goody talk, lets get back to debating!!!!

 

[tinytim]

What about seatbelts?

hehehehe

 

[tinytim]

Hey Bob, there is a thread in the general section about alcohol again... wanna have some fun butting heads?.....
even though I don't drink.

 

[Claudia_T]

Hey Bob, there is a thread in the general section about alcohol again... wanna have some fun butting heads?.....
even though I don't drink.

how come you cant start a thread here about alcohol?

my side of it would be dont drink, of course

 

[tinytim]

I didn't start the other ones....besides I am sick of all the alcohol, C/A threads. Anyway I don't drink either... I think me and Bob agree, it was just over some small detail of why we agree that we disagreed over.....

Now that doesn't even make sense!!!! go figure... us baptists!

 

[Claudia_T]

I didn't start the other ones....besides I am sick of all the alcohol, C/A threads. Anyway I don't drink either... I think me and Bob agree, it was just over some small detail of why we agree that we disagreed over.....

Now that doesn't even make sense!!!! go figure... us baptists!

hey that makes me think of the conflict in my own church about make up, jewelry, how you dress... I think I will start a thread on that, I would like to see what Baptists and others think when it comes to that..

 

[Brother Bob]

I know both of you all, (Bob, JJump) have been in heated debates with me before.. but I respect your opinions even if I disagree with them...
You are not the self righteous type that drive me batty...That I cannot put up with...

Tim; you must of had a good evening service.

 

[tinytim]

It was a very nice service..
The fellowship was soo sweet. (and I am not talking about donuts either)

 

[J. Jump]

What about seatbelts?

Here in the Lone Star state seatbelts are the law now. Not sure if it is in every state or not? So, to me it is the same principal. It is a law that has been established by the government, which does not contradict Scripture, therefore it must be followed.

Another good example Tim. Speeding and seatbelts are a couple of things that I don't think many people think about. I brought up speeding, because one of the assoc. pastors at the church we used to attend would get on a box about speeding and I remember several "Christians" that I truly believe are Christians that would make light of speeding. One of which had received several tickets for speeding.

And I just wanted to see what folks would say on the matter.

So Tim let me ask you this. What happens to the Christian that I know that speeds and doesn't think twice about it? The person is obviously unrepentant about it. So does God just allow the person into heaven anyway and say well I know I said obey the government, but it's okay I'll let you slide w/o any ramifications?

EDIT: By the way thanks for the kind words a page or so back. I enjoy visiting with you as well. And as you there are some on the BB that drive me to the edge and none of the posters to date are those folks. That's why I have continued to post

 

[Claudia_T]

I know this is a goofy idea but for some reason I was wondering about the place in the Bible maybe in Romans where it says that the heathen hear God speaking to them in their conscience either condemning them or not... even though they dont have the law of God... or dont know about it I should say.

so I wonder, if we werent purposely fighting back things the Holy Spirit tells us about the rightness or wrongness of things... would we ALL naturally just KNOW that speeding was a wrong thing to do?

but its like we dont want to listen and so we think up excuses and stifle our conscience?

Claudia

 

[J. Jump]

would we ALL naturally just KNOW that speeding was a wrong thing to do?

but its like we dont want to listen and so we think up excuses and stifle our conscience?

Of course we all know that it is fundamentally wrong to break the law. The problem is, merely from a humanistic standpoint, is that the lawmen don't even follow the law and like hillclimber said they will tell people to break the law by telling them to go with the flow. So the ones that are supposed to be protecting the law break it themselves and don't even have enough respect for it and thereby encourage others to break it.

From a Spiritual standpoint whether we agree with it or not it is to be followed. Now there are probably Christians that don't know the Bible even says we are to obey the governments unless it is a violation of Scripture.

For example the deal the military chaplains are going through right now where they are trying to take away their right to pray in Jesus name. Well they can either resign or break the law (if it becomes that), because Jesus is the very reason that we are able to submit our requests to the Father.

 

[tinytim]

So Tim let me ask you this. What happens to the Christian that I know that speeds and doesn't think twice about it? The person is obviously unrepentant about it. So does God just allow the person into heaven anyway and say well I know I said obey the government, but it's okay I'll let you slide w/o any ramifications?

I think if a person is Saved, the Holy Spirit will prick his heart continually while he is sinning... but some people are just hard headed, and it takes longer....

And the ramifications....
Testimony lost when caught
Fines....
Loss of rewards in Heaven.
Maybe even a shortened life here...
No peace because they are out of God's will.
the chastisement of God.
The chewing out they will get on the day of judgement.
Going into eternity without any treasures that we are supposed to be laying up.
Watching all their useless works burn up.

Yes, there are ramifications to sin....
And we had better take them seriously...