Brother Bob
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Bapmom's husband again - Missionary Boy
You are the first on here that says the inward part does not sin, I thank you. I agree with the outward part but not to the point of adultery.
That seems to be an arbitrary standard on your part - God's standard was that all sin is forgiven by salvation - "Venal" as well as "mortal" Otherwise David lost his salvation when he murdered Uriah and took his wife in adultery - neither David nor Bathsheba died from those sins. The sin unto death was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, i.e. refusing to believe that Jesus was Deity - this will result in an unsaveable condition until belief in His deity occurs in the heart. This is from the context.
Well, I see you are taking the same route as many others and jumping back to the OT, David did suffer over His wrongs and repented.
I John 2:1 If a person who sins cannot be saved, then why does he give a way to fix our unrepented sin before God by employing a lawyer on our behalf when we want to get it right? Keep in mind he's talking to saved people (My little children)Because as I have quoted on here many times, there is a sin and there is a sin unto death which the children of God do not do. See above
Blasphemy is not the only sin unto death, there are others. Matter of fact if you don't repent from adultery it also is a sin unto death along with many others. If you don't think so, just stand in line before the Great White Throne of Judgement.
Rom 6:16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
I John 2:3-4 The word "know" does not just imply knowledge, it also has a connotation of intimate awareness and dwelling with. (And Adam knew his wife, and she bare a son) If you claim to be so intimately close to Jesus, and live with unrepentant sin in your life, you are a lying saved person, and are not walking closely with Him. Just like we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit at salvation(The earnest of our salvation), we are not always filled with the Holy Spirit. We are filled with the flesh, not the Holy Spirit at those speeding times. I agree to the point of lying saved person. There shall be no liars in Heaven but they have their part in the Lake.
Abraham is in heaven. He was a liar - he lied about his wife after he attempted to sacrifice Isaac - and the Bible said about Abraham that he believed God (concerning Isaac) and it was counted unto him for righteousness - a very clear testimony from God about his testimony of salvation.
Again we resort to the OT. Peter lied too but before he was filled with the Holy Ghost and had the mind of Christ within.
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Saved people, remember, and they all have sin. I agree whole heartly but not a sin unto death, like adultery. SCRIPTURE PLEASE. Where does the Bible say the sin unto death is adultery or murder?
Rom 6:16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" He makes a provision for saved people to make their relationship right with God
If you will go back and read again it is talking to the unsaved.
Read the context - He is talking about Christians having fellowship with each other and Christ. He uses the word fellowship several times, and also addresses thaem as "my little children"
VS 10 He reiterates vs 8
This is who he was talking to.
1Jo 1:3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
"If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" WE are not following the scripture when we sin, not losing our salvation. Again, I agree but not sin unto death. Why not?Explain your reasoning with Scripture!
1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
II Timothy 1:12 I committed my salvation to Him when I trusted Christ - God will be faithful and keep it for me - I have no power to lose it or cast it away. No, because He said he would keep you blameless. Explain yourself! This does not refute, explain, or agree with my statement. It is a non-statement. Does blameless mean that God will override your free will and stop you from sinning, or not hold you responsible for the penalty of death in Hell for your sin?
Jud 1:24¶Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
BTW, Didn't Paul characterize himself as having to die daily in the struggle with his sin, and the chief of sinners? He must not be saved, and the writer of most of our New Testament (14 books) must not have the word in him. If Paul was an adultery then we all are wasting our time. You didn't answer my question. You are basing your comments on this passage, and then ignoring it when you can't answer a question put to you. Sin is sin. The passage does not make the Catholic distinction of big sin or little sin. It uses the word sin. And since adultery is obviously sin, you can't reconcile your view with what the Scripture says.
yes it does too.
1Jo 5:16If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
BTW2, If Suicide is a sin unable to be repented of, wouldn't that make Jesus' death a suicide? He chose to die for us before the world began (Titus 1:2), "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit, and he gave up the ghost"
I find it hard to compare a "gift of life" to suicide. But you have me mixed up with someone else, I feel the mind is an organ of the body and can deteriorate as the other organs can.
Thank you for your answers and please ask me anything you want.
Suicide is certainly a sin unto death. And Jesus chose to die and put Himself in a life-threatening situation, and could have stopped it at any time, but chose to continue to provide salvation for all us speeders and adulterers. I don't see what the mind has to do with this last point
If you ever lose your mind and not know or responsible for what you do then if you could know you would know you were not responsible.
Peace, I am open to any more questions also.
You are the first on here that says the inward part does not sin, I thank you. I agree with the outward part but not to the point of adultery.
That seems to be an arbitrary standard on your part - God's standard was that all sin is forgiven by salvation - "Venal" as well as "mortal" Otherwise David lost his salvation when he murdered Uriah and took his wife in adultery - neither David nor Bathsheba died from those sins. The sin unto death was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, i.e. refusing to believe that Jesus was Deity - this will result in an unsaveable condition until belief in His deity occurs in the heart. This is from the context.
Well, I see you are taking the same route as many others and jumping back to the OT, David did suffer over His wrongs and repented.
I John 2:1 If a person who sins cannot be saved, then why does he give a way to fix our unrepented sin before God by employing a lawyer on our behalf when we want to get it right? Keep in mind he's talking to saved people (My little children)Because as I have quoted on here many times, there is a sin and there is a sin unto death which the children of God do not do. See above
Blasphemy is not the only sin unto death, there are others. Matter of fact if you don't repent from adultery it also is a sin unto death along with many others. If you don't think so, just stand in line before the Great White Throne of Judgement.
Rom 6:16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
I John 2:3-4 The word "know" does not just imply knowledge, it also has a connotation of intimate awareness and dwelling with. (And Adam knew his wife, and she bare a son) If you claim to be so intimately close to Jesus, and live with unrepentant sin in your life, you are a lying saved person, and are not walking closely with Him. Just like we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit at salvation(The earnest of our salvation), we are not always filled with the Holy Spirit. We are filled with the flesh, not the Holy Spirit at those speeding times. I agree to the point of lying saved person. There shall be no liars in Heaven but they have their part in the Lake.
Abraham is in heaven. He was a liar - he lied about his wife after he attempted to sacrifice Isaac - and the Bible said about Abraham that he believed God (concerning Isaac) and it was counted unto him for righteousness - a very clear testimony from God about his testimony of salvation.
Again we resort to the OT. Peter lied too but before he was filled with the Holy Ghost and had the mind of Christ within.
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Saved people, remember, and they all have sin. I agree whole heartly but not a sin unto death, like adultery. SCRIPTURE PLEASE. Where does the Bible say the sin unto death is adultery or murder?
Rom 6:16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" He makes a provision for saved people to make their relationship right with God
If you will go back and read again it is talking to the unsaved.
Read the context - He is talking about Christians having fellowship with each other and Christ. He uses the word fellowship several times, and also addresses thaem as "my little children"
VS 10 He reiterates vs 8
This is who he was talking to.
1Jo 1:3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship [is] with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
"If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" WE are not following the scripture when we sin, not losing our salvation. Again, I agree but not sin unto death. Why not?Explain your reasoning with Scripture!
1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
II Timothy 1:12 I committed my salvation to Him when I trusted Christ - God will be faithful and keep it for me - I have no power to lose it or cast it away. No, because He said he would keep you blameless. Explain yourself! This does not refute, explain, or agree with my statement. It is a non-statement. Does blameless mean that God will override your free will and stop you from sinning, or not hold you responsible for the penalty of death in Hell for your sin?
Jud 1:24¶Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
BTW, Didn't Paul characterize himself as having to die daily in the struggle with his sin, and the chief of sinners? He must not be saved, and the writer of most of our New Testament (14 books) must not have the word in him. If Paul was an adultery then we all are wasting our time. You didn't answer my question. You are basing your comments on this passage, and then ignoring it when you can't answer a question put to you. Sin is sin. The passage does not make the Catholic distinction of big sin or little sin. It uses the word sin. And since adultery is obviously sin, you can't reconcile your view with what the Scripture says.
yes it does too.
1Jo 5:16If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
BTW2, If Suicide is a sin unable to be repented of, wouldn't that make Jesus' death a suicide? He chose to die for us before the world began (Titus 1:2), "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit, and he gave up the ghost"
I find it hard to compare a "gift of life" to suicide. But you have me mixed up with someone else, I feel the mind is an organ of the body and can deteriorate as the other organs can.
Thank you for your answers and please ask me anything you want.
Suicide is certainly a sin unto death. And Jesus chose to die and put Himself in a life-threatening situation, and could have stopped it at any time, but chose to continue to provide salvation for all us speeders and adulterers. I don't see what the mind has to do with this last point
If you ever lose your mind and not know or responsible for what you do then if you could know you would know you were not responsible.
Peace, I am open to any more questions also.
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Confessing Jesus as the Christ, and believing on His substitutionary death and shed blood are not the same thing.