Legalism just sucks.
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Speeding
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Why anyone would want to live under the law given 15 centuries before Christ, given the Grace we are now under, simply amazes me.
I agree with some of your points Tim, but I don't see how some of these things would motivate a person to do the right thing, because the bottom line of what you have said is that I will lose some things I never had, I'll take a tongue lashing and I'll watch some stuff being burned. But as soon as that is all over and done with I get to enjoy the splendor of heaven as much as the next guy.
So to me I can live like the world now and enjoy all this world has to offer to me and then I can enjoy the splendor of eternity in heaven just like the poor sap that denied himself and suffered in this life.
My question becomes why would someone want to miss out on all this world has to offer (fame, fortune, physical indulgences, etc.) when they can do all that and still live like the suffering saint in heaven?
To me that doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm sure that probably does motivate some, but we should be able to tell by the lukewarmness of Christendom today that there is a LARGE population, a HUGE number of folks that are not being motivated by that. Would you agree?
I would agree to a certain extent...
What I listed were some of the negatives of sin....
The positives of following Christ and hating sin is a wonderful relationship with the Creator of this world that once you experience it, you will not want anything else the world has to offer....
What I listed were some of the negatives of sin....
The positives of following Christ and hating sin is a wonderful relationship with the Creator of this world that once you experience it, you will not want anything else the world has to offer....
Unfortuantely that just doesn't always hold true. We see many a Christian that fall away and go back to the world for one reason or another. Sadly instead of discipling that person or coming along side that person we write them off as well they were never saved in the first place, and they just fall through the crack.
We "should" not want anything the world has to offer, but because of a lack of discipleship at least in America today and I have a friend that says it is the same way in India, so it would be my guess that it is the same across the globe we have a very watered down Christianity. And we have a lot of lukewarmness.
It just really breaks my heart to look at where Christendom is today
While I agree whole heartedly with your statement, I think the key word phrase is supposed to. Some would disagree and say Christians will love God and will represent His ways to the world.
That's just not true. I think you have it the Truth on the head, but the question then becomes okay so what happens to the person that doesn't love God enough to represent His ways to the world.
And you asked that question on your "works" thread, so I won't give my answer again, but would suggest that because so many have incorrectly answered this question in one of the three ways I have described we have the lukewarmness of Christianity we do today. And it is TERRIBLY sad!
In my opinion too many people read the Bible to learn the theory of the Truth instead of reading it to allow it to reveal who God is to them. So they dont KNOW God as a Friend. Consequently they dont love God and if they dont love God then they wont do whats right out of that love for Him.
And they dont spend time actually talking to God, telling them their problems, opening their hearts up to Him, asking Him everything and so forth.
and so the entire Bible is just a theory to them, head knowledge and they give mental assent to the Truth but thats about all.
Jn:5:39: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And they dont spend time actually talking to God, telling them their problems, opening their hearts up to Him, asking Him everything and so forth.
and so the entire Bible is just a theory to them, head knowledge and they give mental assent to the Truth but thats about all.
Jn:5:39: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
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I almost NEVER go the speed limit when driving. Its always that way, and by choice.
I usually go 5 to 10 mph UNDER the speed limit. :thumbs:
I'm serious. I am one of those drivers who drive the fast one crazy. Even on the interstate I'm usually going about 55-60.
Creeping along,
Mike
I usually go 5 to 10 mph UNDER the speed limit. :thumbs:
I'm serious. I am one of those drivers who drive the fast one crazy. Even on the interstate I'm usually going about 55-60.
Creeping along,
Mike
Why are there speed limits on the freeways?
Because speeding is an easy ticket for the police to win in court.
Why? Because one's speed can be measured electronically. It is much more difficult to prove neglegent driving or unsafe lane change or following to close.
Back when there was no speed limit in Montana hardly anyone went over 80 MPH on the freeway. It was to costly for the big trucks and most cars went 75-80.
The driven speed automatically decreases in bad weather because most people know their limits and don't want to die.
It is the nature of freeways that the lane capacity is maximum at around 35 MPH - around 2000 cars/hour and is cut in half at 70 MPH, around 1000 cars/hour. See any highway engineering text. That is why traffic slows when volume increases, not because people want to drive slower.
Personal observation is that people drive more politely and carefully on toll roads. Why? I suspect because of cell phones and toll plaza's. Reckless drivers can be apprehended at the toll plazas.
I favor speed radar camaras on the freeways. Camaras are impartial and make it impossible for big shots and good looking woman to talk their way out of a ticket.
Because speeding is an easy ticket for the police to win in court.
Why? Because one's speed can be measured electronically. It is much more difficult to prove neglegent driving or unsafe lane change or following to close.
Back when there was no speed limit in Montana hardly anyone went over 80 MPH on the freeway. It was to costly for the big trucks and most cars went 75-80.
The driven speed automatically decreases in bad weather because most people know their limits and don't want to die.
It is the nature of freeways that the lane capacity is maximum at around 35 MPH - around 2000 cars/hour and is cut in half at 70 MPH, around 1000 cars/hour. See any highway engineering text. That is why traffic slows when volume increases, not because people want to drive slower.
Personal observation is that people drive more politely and carefully on toll roads. Why? I suspect because of cell phones and toll plaza's. Reckless drivers can be apprehended at the toll plazas.
I favor speed radar camaras on the freeways. Camaras are impartial and make it impossible for big shots and good looking woman to talk their way out of a ticket.
Claudia_T said:
with this you are implying that the message is incorrect. In fact it is not incorrect to say that "all you must do is believe", because that IS what the Bible says. However, we need to define correctly what sort of belief we are talking about these days.
I have heard it put that we believe ON Christ, not just IN His existence. We place our belief upon Him to do what we cannot possibly hope to accomplish. The answer to JJump's valid concern with this thread is NOT to add works to the gospel message in the hopes that it will scare people into acting right. The answer is as he and others said, start discipling each other! Get out there and tell the gospel to people, but ask the Holy Spirit to come on out with you and convict those who you speak to.
Problem is though that very few want "true" discipleship these days. The message of the gospel has been so distorted that people will not stand for "true" discipleship anymore because too many "Christian" leaders are telling them that they don't have too. You know the song tells us that we are all friends of God irregardless of what we do, and another song tells us that we can come just as we are to worship.
I'll quit before I really get going
Sadly there are going to be some SHOCKED saved folks on that day.
Brother Bob
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It may have been you I fired off a couple rounds at the other day.
J. Jump said:
Nope, My spirit convicts you.
If the Spirit does not convict you, you are hardened or have not the Spirit.