spin-off from "Route to Calvinism"

Just what the BB needs...more arrogance, ad hominems and the spreading of vitriol
Please tell me why anyone would want to reply to your thread with this kind of attitude, and since you seem to have it all figured out?

 

I know what I said and the reasons why. I just found out today that there is a calvinist here on the BB that believes you can be elect while ignoring Christ your entire life. It's obvious some "calvinists" don't know what calvinism teaches.

If you are truly genuine, phrases like... "To be honest, I'm not expecting a reply of any substance (meaning dealing with each verse).
Non-calvinists don't like to discuss these types of passages." don't warrant good conversation or debate.

 

Um...you might want to go back and actually read my post (and your own, since you did quote me verbatim). Did you miss the word "some"? I went back and bolded it for you so, no, I didn't categorize an entire group as you did.

It's clear you are not after good dialogue or debate. Good day.

 

No decision? Do you make plans" without deciding what you will do? I mean -- I love this verse because it shows what liberty we have in Christ that we CAN make plans and decisions, still be in the will of God, and He rewards or either detours our plans for our good.

This is the complement to "In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct your paths." OUR decision is to acknowledge or not acknowledge. If we acknowledge, we know He will lead!

[/quote]"plans in a man's heart"--notice there is no action taken yet, they are still "plans in the heart"
"BUT it is God's purposes"(plans) that prevail, (actually happen).
Again, "man's plans" versus God's purposes" only one prevails.[/quote] Again, how do you not see a decision on man's part here??

No, but "Hey, what are you doing" suggests that that questions comes in that it wasn't what man would have decided to do, right?

Here's what is wrong with your reply -- God has made many promises and threats. We cannot change the outcome of either our obedience or of our disobedience. God has "laid down" in the Bible what will happen! We can still decide to disobey, can't we? God has already decided what will happen if we do, hasn't He? Unless He shows mercy upon whom He will, we're stuck!

Oh? Your parents didn't choose to make love? You couldn't choose to commit suicide? You have never chosen where you will live? These things were "foreordained" in that God foresaw them and permitted them. They were NOT decided by God. God did NOT decide that your parents would marry one another much less the rest. He KNEW of it -- He KNEW what every gene in your parents would make you to be like.

Well, take Pharoah, for example. What did Pharoah want to do with Israel? Was he able to override God or did God override him?

Absolutely! God controls the consequences! Pharoah could have let the people go at Moses first request and God's will would have been done that way, too!

"Counsel and foreknowledge" -- Yes. And He foreknew that Israel would reject Jesus too. That didn't mean it was His will nor that He made them reject Jesus. He "foreknew" it and "directed the steps," the consequences, accordingly.

No, had known and ordained beforehand.

Look at Judas. Do you think for one minute that the Pharisees couldn't have crucified Jesus without Judas? Of course they could! And Judas could have repented the night before and believed on Jesus if he had responded to Jesus last invitation! You are making way too much out of God controlling evil as well as good!

I'd say you have a pretty jaundiced view of why I am here. These things need answers. I realize that. Without proper perspective, we can get our faith in trouble -- into "shipwreck" as Paul said of Hymenaeus and Alexander, 1Tim 1:19-20. And all they were doing was being preterists!! Heaven knows what he would say about a Calvinist! :laugh:

skypair

 

Hi Amy;
This is a quote from your blog

How do you know it wasn't God's plan that you be fat. What gave you the right to think for yourself as in " You have to want it " Your testimony here is true. Salvation is that way, you have to want it. It isn't just given to you. You really have to want it. You have to be willing to accept it by your own voluntary will.
God's plans for us are never forced on us. He also has a plan for us if we reject Him . It's called hell.
Demonstrations of men living by there own plans;
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Joh 5:35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

2Co 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

Ezr 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.


MB

 

Reconcile this notion with sin. Do you believe God is the author of sin?

Same question...

Same question...

Agreed. What does this have to do with intellect and day to day choices, though...the very choices God sets before us?

Your theology sounds like that of the hyper's...or let me clarify "some"... on here (God is the first cause of absolutely everything including sin, or He is not sovereign)

 

Now you are being outright dishonest. In your post (#5) the word SOME is in my quoted phrase you were responding to. I did not go back and add that word into your post...impossible to do (editing your posts), and a false accusation. I went back and bolded the word from my post that you quoted. That is the second time already in your short time here you have falsely accused me. Please stop.

BTW, do you know what calvinism teaches?

 

If that wasn't your blog then why is it's link given at the bottom of your post?
This was the link. www.americanadiangirl.blogspot.com
MB

 

Just for the record, here is what you replied to...

You weren't replying to what you stated you were replying to. The above bolded qualifies this...

That, my friend is just plain old dishonesty, and violates a BB posting rule.

 

edited,, be back in a few minutes to post again

 

From what these verses say, man might make all the plans he wants, BUT it's God whose in control of what actually happens, God's will over mans. To say man makes plans and is able to carry them out no matter what, is to argue against scripture and lower God below man's status.

Godd post by the way

 

Then lets discuss the verses. Awaiting your replies...