Stages of grief

[freeatlast]

None of your post was the point of the anecdote.

Nor, was any counsel of guidance suggested by the anecdote.

The point of the post was to present a scenario before guidance and counsel was to begin and to encourage the reader's insight into the child's problem and what was the actual "trigger."

For what purpose?

 

[padredurand]

He is scared.

...and it does not have to be logical for it to be very real to him. I talk to a lot of folks during my workday and you would be surprised how many are convinced they will suffer the same fate as someone else they knew ie: heart attack at the same age as their parent, cancer at the same age as a sibling, or, as in this case, violence.

He's a kid with limited perspective. In his world many kids are murdered at a young age. You can give this boy much sound counsel from the Word without using it to beat him over the head.

One reaction on our part is to jump to solutions right away. Hearing (not just listening)is the greater part of communication. If you are formulating an answer before they stop speaking you are listening without hearing.

 

[agedman]

For what purpose?

For the reader's edification and enjoyment.

 

[freeatlast]

For the reader's edification and enjoyment.

That is good. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[annsni]

I DON’T know, but based on the scenario that is a good place to start. If that is not the issue then there is another one involving sin and that is what has to be dealt with. His refusal to pay attention is controllable by him and that in itself is sin so what ever the reason it has to be determined by further counseling, but what I stated would be the logical reasons based on what was given.

Any counselor who goes into the counseling with a decision of what is wrong is not a good counselor.

Who says he's "refusing" to pay attention?

 

[agedman]

...and it does not have to be logical for it to be very real to him. I talk to a lot of folks during my workday and you would be surprised how many are convinced they will suffer the same fate as someone else they knew ie: heart attack at the same age as their parent, cancer at the same age as a sibling, or, as in this case, violence.

He's a kid with limited perspective. In his world many kids are murdered at a young age. You can give this boy much sound counsel from the Word without using it to beat him over the head.

One reaction on our part is to jump to solutions right away. Hearing (not just listening)is the greater part of communication. If you are formulating an answer before they stop speaking you are listening without hearing.

Coming to a client without preconceptions is one of the hardest elements a counselor must develop. Those who don't, not only shut down the client, but many times, get a false premiss from which they frustrate not only the problem but the resolution.

 

[freeatlast]

Any counselor who goes into the counseling with a decision of what is wrong is not a good counselor.

Who says he's "refusing" to pay attention?

Yea right, that is why you hold to drugs and I hold to pushing them to the Lord. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[padredurand]

Yea right, that is why you hold to drugs and I hold to pushing them to the Lord. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Jesus said He would draw men. I don't think He needs a push from you. :thumbsup:

 

[saturneptune]

Yea right, that is why you hold to drugs and I hold to pushing them to the Lord. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Is that what you call your posts? I call it warping Scripture to make fellow Christians feel defeated when the posts should be edifying, comforting, and positive, as the Lord would want.

 

[annsni]

Yea right, that is why you hold to drugs and I hold to pushing them to the Lord. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

I don't hold to drugs.

 

[agedman]

I don't hold to drugs.

I let the medicine cabinet hold them for me.

 

[freeatlast]

Jesus said He would draw men. I don't think He needs a push from you. :thumbsup:

Who do you direct people to? Let me guess. It cannot be Jesus based on your admitted belief so who is left?

 

[annsni]

I let the medicine cabinet hold them for me.

It's MUCH to awkward to hold them yourself. All those boxes and bottles...... I use shoeboxes to sort them all and let my kitchen cabinet sort them.

 

[padredurand]

Who do you direct people to? Let me guess. It cannot be Jesus based on your admitted belief so who is left?

You used the word push. I just assumed you weren't convinced the Holy Spirit could do the job without a little (or big) shove from you. Directing, on the other hand, is quite a different thing.

I think your milk of human kindness has curdled. You could probably use a hug. :1_grouphug:

 

[saturneptune]

It's MUCH to awkward to hold them yourself. All those boxes and bottles...... I use shoeboxes to sort them all and let my kitchen cabinet sort them.

I grind all of my drugs into powder and snort them.

 

[freeatlast]

You used the word push. I just assumed you weren't convinced the Holy Spirit could do the job without a little (or big) shove from you. Directing, on the other hand, is quite a different thing.

I think your milk of human kindness has curdled. You could probably use a hug. :1_grouphug:

Thank you for the children's word games and the hug.

 

[saturneptune]

Thank you for the children's word games and the hug.

Thank you in advance for not posting anymore. The term compassionately challanged comeds to mind.

 

[padredurand]

Thank you for the children's word games and the hug.

Words matter. There is a big ifference between PUSH and DIRECT. Judging by the tone of your previous posts I assumed you meant PUSH. My apologies.

And you are welcome for the hug. Just a little lovingkindness. I got it free at Calvary. Might as well share.

 

[annsni]

Judging by the tone of your previous posts I assumed you meant PUSH.

Actually, he SAID "push": "Yea right, that is why you hold to drugs and I hold to pushing them to the Lord."

 

[saturneptune]

What seems to trigger being banned or lesser forms of discipline is curse words, offensive name calling, and questioning salvation. However, there are certain ideas expressed that are so contrary to, not only Christians, but humanity in general, that they should hold the same penalty as the most vile curse word.