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Supreme Court Moving on Pennsylvania Ballot Case

SGO

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Alito Moves Up Supreme Court Deadline in Key Pennsylvania Mail-In Ballot Case

Alito Moves Up Supreme Court Deadline in Key Pennsylvania Mail-In Ballot Case

BY JACK PHILLIPS AND IVAN PENTCHOUKOV

December 6, 2020 Updated: December 6, 2020
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U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito asked officials in Pennsylvania to file briefs by the morning of Dec. 8 in response to an emergency injunction petition filed by Republicans seeking to invalidate or rescind the results of the Nov. 3 presidential election in the Keystone State.

That day is the “safe harbor” deadline that requires controversies surrounding elections to be ended, so states can choose their electors before the Dec. 14 meeting of the Electoral College. Alito initially called for response arguments by Dec. 9, before moving the due date earlier by a day.

The new deadline signals that the Supreme Court intends to rule on the request for the injunction before the safe harbor deadline runs out.

Marc Elias, the top attorney leading the Democrats’ post-election legal effort and who last month called the same lawsuit “frivolous,” wrote on Twitter on Dec. 6 that he is “NOT worried about the date briefs are due” in the Supreme Court.

The Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court on Nov. 25 ordered state officials to not take any steps to perfect the certification of the election pending a resolution to the Republican lawsuit. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court overrode the injunction three days later, leading the plaintiffs to appeal to the nation’s highest court.

With the Supreme Court petition pending, the Republicans asked the state’s Supreme Court to stay its own decision. The court rejected the request.

U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly’s lawsuit argued that the Pennsylvania General Assembly illegally enacted Act 77, a measure that vastly expanded mail-in voting statewide. The act overrode provisions regarding limits to absentee voting outlined in the Pennsylvania Constitution, a change that requires going through the lengthy process of enacting a constitutional amendment, which includes approvals by two consecutive legislatures followed by a successful statewide referendum.

“Beginning with the Military Absentee Ballot Act of 1839, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court consistently rejected all attempts to expand absentee voting by statute—uniformly holding that a constitutional amendment is required to expand absentee voting beyond the categories provided in the Pennsylvania Constitution,” the Supreme Court petition states.

“Act 77 is the Commonwealth’s latest attempt to override through legislation the protective limitations on absentee voting contained in the Pennsylvania Constitution, as interpreted by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court over the last 158 years.”

Pennsylvania Commonwealth Judge Patricia McCullough sided with the plaintiffs on Nov. 25 and blocked the state from certifying the election. State officials had certified the results of the presidential election as McCullough was considering the case, creating the appearance that the state was attempting to preempt the court.

In explaining her decision for an injunction two days later, McCullough opined that the injunction was in order in part because the Republicans were likely to win the case.

The Democratic-dominated Pennsylvania Supreme Court struck down McCullough’s injunction on Nov. 28, arguing that the plaintiffs filed the challenge too late, a legal restriction called laches. Following the ruling, conservative radio host and constitutional scholar Mark Levin criticized the decision, noting that the plaintiffs couldn’t have sued prior to the election because they couldn’t establish standing without having suffered any harm.

One of the two questions now before the U.S. Supreme Court is whether the Constitution permits for the case to have been dismissed using the rationale that the challenge was filed too late.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf signed Act 77 into law on Oct. 31, 2019. Eight of the nine sponsors of the bill in the Pennsylvania Senate were Republicans. The state Supreme Court justices had opined that the plaintiffs had more than a year to file their challenge.

“Rather than provide clarity and address this vitally important, and valid constitutional question on the merits, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court exercised its extraordinary jurisdiction to take over the case and dismiss it on the basis of laches,” Kelly’s petition states. “In so doing, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court violated petitioners’ right to petition and right to due process, guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution, respectively, by closing all avenues of relief for past and future.”

The plaintiffs in the lawsuit include congressional candidate Sean Parnell and Pennsylvania House of Representatives candidate Wanda Logan, both Republicans. The defendants include Wolf, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, the Pennsylvania General Assembly, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

The Republicans seek an order to temporarily block Pennsylvania from certifying the results of the 2020 election before it’s too late. The injunction, if granted, would be in place while the full U.S. Supreme Court considers and resolves the Republicans’ appeal of the order by the state Supreme Court.

“Respondents have begun the steps necessary to certify the results of the Election, which was undertaken pursuant to an unconstitutional, no-excuse absentee voting scheme,” the petition states.

“Absent intervention by this Court, respondents will complete the process of certifying the results of an election, and potentially cast Electoral College votes for president and vice president, conducted in a manner which the Pennsylvania Supreme Court has long rejected as unconstitutional.”

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yeah, there's every indication that Alito wants SCOTUS to take up the case and it's going to go down today or tomorrow - PA has the best case for Trump and I hope they rule in his favor and against that Wolf hack. Biden could still be installed, but the ruling will be interesting to say the least.
 

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Supreme Court Rejects GOP Bid To Reverse Pennsylvania Election Results
Supreme Court Denies GOP Bid To Reject Pennsylvania Election Results : NPR

The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected an effort to overturn the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania, signaling the high court would not go along with President Trump's unprecedented efforts to win another term despite a decisive defeat in the popular vote and Electoral College.

"The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice [Samuel] Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied," said the court's one-sentence order, which did not suggest any dissent among the nine justices.



 

JonC

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I doubt anyone (regardless of party) believes that the election was fair. President Trump has more votes than any other President in the history of elections in our nation. And Vice President Biden has more votes than any other presidential candidate in history.

People can be willfully ignorant, but people are not stupid. While the numbers are technically possible, they are a long shot. And the logical conclusion is suspect ballots.

That said, probably the best thing that could happen for the GOP is that Biden be installed as President. No matter who is installed they will be viewed as having stolen the election. From a political standpoint it seems that the best thing for the GOP would be to keep on objecting but not so much as to actually have the courts hand them a victory and concentrate on the next two years and then the presidency in four years.
 

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I doubt anyone (regardless of party) believes that the election was fair.
You are quite wrong about that.

The election was quite fair. The only thing that surprised me is that the Democrats didn’t do nearly as well as I expected.

I took a break from the board because of a lot of stuff happening involving a murder next door, physical therapy for an injury, and a heavy workload, but I came back to help set realistic expectations for the election since so many around here were convinced that Trump was going to win by an enormous landslide and Republicans were going to take the House.

It’s easy to assume that you have been cheated when your politicians, media bubble, and religious leaders all tell you one thing and then the opposite happens.

President Trump has more votes than any other President in the history of elections in our nation. And Vice President Biden has more votes than any other presidential candidate in history.
That has to do with the level of interest in the election and the growth of voting-age people. The young people were passionate about voting this year.

People can be willfully ignorant, but people are not stupid.
People who are willingly deceived become unable to discern truth from lies.

While the numbers are technically possible, they are a long shot.
Not at all. I’ve looked long and hard for real evidence and haven’t seen anything definitive.

And the logical conclusion is suspect ballots.
Yet no one seems to be able to demonstrate that. Therefore, we should accept the results.

No matter who is installed they will be viewed as having stolen the election.
Only by the most fanatical of the Trump base.

When all of the criminal stuff comes out, the Republican Party is going to be lucky to survive.
 

JonC

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You are quite wrong about that.

The election was quite fair. The only thing that surprised me is that the Democrats didn’t do nearly as well as I expected.

I took a break from the board because of a lot of stuff happening involving a murder next door, physical therapy for an injury, and a heavy workload, but I came back to help set realistic expectations for the election since so many around here were convinced that Trump was going to win by an enormous landslide and Republicans were going to take the House.

It’s easy to assume that you have been cheated when your politicians, media bubble, and religious leaders all tell you one thing and then the opposite happens.

That has to do with the level of interest in the election and the growth of voting-age people. The young people were passionate about voting this year.


People who are willingly deceived become unable to discern truth from lies.


Not at all. I’ve looked long and hard for real evidence and haven’t seen anything definitive.


Yet no one seems to be able to demonstrate that. Therefore, we should accept the results.


Only by the most fanatical of the Trump base.

When all of the criminal stuff comes out, the Republican Party is going to be lucky to survive.
There are always the fanatical on both sides.

Given Biden's history I know many were surprised that he got as much of the "black vote" that he got. Others were surprised so many "black votes" left the DNC.

People say that there was no fraud, but at the same time most know that there was (the issue is whether or not the fraud would have made a difference).

Many Democrats have lost all credibility by claiming (despite enough evidence to the contrary) no large scale fraud took place. Many Republicans have lost all credibility by assuming (despite a lack of evidence) that there was enough fraud to overturn the election.

I'm a bystander. I would never vote for a Democrat candidate. But I have come to the conclusion that I will also not vote for a Republican candidate. The DNC exploits minorities. The GOP exploits Christians. Both are evil.

Watching things unfold is funny. Evidence of voter fraud (on a large scale) has been presented in several states. Each time the DNC says "but where's the evidence". In GA we know that the election was not accomplished legally (I do not know that we can say it was fraud, per se, but it was not according to GA state election laws). And we all know that. It is not a question. But the DNC still says "where's the evidence" when facing it directly. And the GOP says "that's enough to overturn the election" when in fact it is not.

It's like a Monty Python skit (SDL for the younger folk). It's just the world being the world.
 

Baptist Believer

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In GA we know that the election was not accomplished legally (I do not know that we can say it was fraud, per se, but it was not according to GA state election laws).
Something that a lot of Trump supporters don't recognize is that our nation - and every state - is in a state of emergency because of the pandemic. That gives our leadership additional authority to make appropriate decisions to accommodate the needs of the emergency than would be during normal times. It is up to the courts to decide whether or not those actions are appropriate. So far, the courts don't consider those minor irregularities as an issue. Furthermore, it seems that the Republicans are only concerned about the votes for President, and not the small gains made in the Senate and House.

Why in the world would anyone "rig" the election for President and ignore the Senate races, where the real power lies? Simply put, they would not.
 

JonC

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Something that a lot of Trump supporters don't recognize is that our nation - and every state - is in a state of emergency because of the pandemic. That gives our leadership additional authority to make appropriate decisions to accommodate the needs of the emergency than would be during normal times. It is up to the courts to decide whether or not those actions are appropriate. So far, the courts don't consider those minor irregularities as an issue. Furthermore, it seems that the Republicans are only concerned about the votes for President, and not the small gains made in the Senate and House.

Why in the world would anyone "rig" the election for President and ignore the Senate races, where the real power lies? Simply put, they would not.
What many do not recognize is that Trump is not responsible for the pandemic. Early on the DBC opposed measures to prevent the spread of the virus. And there were plenty of mixed signals from health experts.

Bottom line is Democrats wouldn't have done any better (probably worse given the Jan reactions). I doubt anyone (DNC or GOP) would have jumped through the hoops Trump did to get a vaccine underway.

BUT COVID is just an excuse. People do not like that it is here. Trump got lucky on some decisions, and Biden dating after the fact that he would do better is foolishness most (I believe) are capable of seeing through.

The DNC is pure evil. But perhaps the GOP is more dangerous as the DNC touts its immorality while the GOP hijacks religion.
 

Reformed1689

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That said, probably the best thing that could happen for the GOP is that Biden be installed as President. No matter who is installed they will be viewed as having stolen the election. From a political standpoint it seems that the best thing for the GOP would be to keep on objecting but not so much as to actually have the courts hand them a victory and concentrate on the next two years and then the presidency in four years.
Too much damage can be done to this country in two years.
 

Reformed1689

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It’s easy to assume that you have been cheated when your politicians, media bubble, and religious leaders all tell you one thing and then the opposite happens.
Except it's not assuming. The evidence is there. Swing states broke laws and changed rules in the 11th hour.
 

Reformed1689

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Something that a lot of Trump supporters don't recognize is that our nation - and every state - is in a state of emergency because of the pandemic. That gives our leadership additional authority to make appropriate decisions to accommodate the needs of the emergency than would be during normal times. It is up to the courts to decide whether or not those actions are appropriate. So far, the courts don't consider those minor irregularities as an issue. Furthermore, it seems that the Republicans are only concerned about the votes for President, and not the small gains made in the Senate and House.

Why in the world would anyone "rig" the election for President and ignore the Senate races, where the real power lies? Simply put, they would not.
It does not give them the authority to circumvent the Constitution.
 

JonC

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Too much damage can be done to this country in two years.
That's the way the cookie crumbles.

I am a pessimistic in a way. I have thought for a long time now that our nation has been on a moral decline. I believe there is no cure (the US is beyond turning to God as a nation). I look for a continued decline ultimately for God's glory in the Church.
 
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777

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but this time it will be a fortune cookie crumbling

Why in the world would anyone "rig" the election for President and ignore the Senate races, where the real power lies? Simply put, they would not.

Why would anyone vote for Biden and ignore the Senate races, where the real power lies? Simply put, they would not. Orange man bad. Very bad.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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There are always the fanatical on both sides.

Given Biden's history I know many were surprised that he got as much of the "black vote" that he got. Others were surprised so many "black votes" left the DNC.

People say that there was no fraud, but at the same time most know that there was (the issue is whether or not the fraud would have made a difference).

Many Democrats have lost all credibility by claiming (despite enough evidence to the contrary) no large scale fraud took place. Many Republicans have lost all credibility by assuming (despite a lack of evidence) that there was enough fraud to overturn the election.

I'm a bystander. I would never vote for a Democrat candidate. But I have come to the conclusion that I will also not vote for a Republican candidate. The DNC exploits minorities. The GOP exploits Christians. Both are evil.

Watching things unfold is funny. Evidence of voter fraud (on a large scale) has been presented in several states. Each time the DNC says "but where's the evidence". In GA we know that the election was not accomplished legally (I do not know that we can say it was fraud, per se, but it was not according to GA state election laws). And we all know that. It is not a question. But the DNC still says "where's the evidence" when facing it directly. And the GOP says "that's enough to overturn the election" when in fact it is not.

It's like a Monty Python skit (SDL for the younger folk). It's just the world being the world.
JC, I could agree on several points, but must quibble over some as well. The Dems and their MSM exploit minorities but deceive everyone, especially many Christians.

Yes, perhaps not everything they did to cheat to steal the election is technically fraud, but the extent was brazen, unprecedented. They exacerbated, exaggerated, and exploited the pandemic for the purpose of bypassing election law and rules in order to execute their fraud, and succeeded precisely where they already had the power.

If the Dems succeed in establishing this precedent for gaining power in the US…
 

JonC

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JC, I could agree on several points, but must quibble over some as well. The Dems and their MSM exploit minorities but deceive everyone, especially many Christians.

Yes, perhaps not everything they did to cheat to steal the election is technically fraud, but the extent was brazen, unprecedented. They exacerbated, exaggerated, and exploited the pandemic for the purpose of bypassing election law and rules in order to execute their fraud, and succeeded precisely where they already had the power.

If the Dems succeed in establishing this precedent for gaining power in the US…
The easy part about the DNC is that their platform itself is anti-Christian. This is why I see the GOP as more dangerous. Their platform can blend in with Christianity where the DNC cannot and poses the danger of becoming a substitute.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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The easy part about the DNC is that their platform itself is anti-Christian. This is why I see the GOP as more dangerous. Their platform can blend in with Christianity where the DNC cannot and poses the danger of becoming a substitute.
That seems to ignore what atheistic Marxist states do. Communist China is in the process of editing the Bible. Their politics are fanatically religious. Bow to the state or else. That is the route of the Dem Progressive Left—Marx my words.
 

Baptist Believer

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Then explain the hundreds of thousands of votes that were for Biden only and not down-ticket races?
How do you know they exist? Can you show me examples of these ballots?

I often don't vote for people who are unopposed, nor do I vote for issues/races where I am undecided. My ballot for the November 2020 election was missing votes on unopposed Texas races.
 
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