Temporal and Eternal Punishment

[Melanie]

Again, please educate me on this. Were not the early Christians Catholic? When did the Catholic Church begin?

Joseph Botwinick [/QB][/QUOTE]

On Simon Christ promised to build His church, saying; "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church" (Matt. 16:18). After the Resurrection He confirmed Peter's authority over the Church, saying to him "Feed my lambs; feed my sheep" (John 21: 15-17).

In this the RCC has Peter the first pope of the church established by Jesus Christ...

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Briony-Gloriana:

In this the RCC has Peter the first pope of the church established by Jesus Christ...

This is easily refutable, but just so you don't accuse us of getting our facts all wrong, we will ask you to provide the facts for us.
1. When (what date) did Peter become the first pope at Rome.
2. How long was Peter in Rome.
3. When did Peter come to Rome.
4. When did Peter die?
5. How did Peter die?
6. At what age did Peter die?

 

[violet]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Briony-Gloriana:

In this the RCC has Peter the first pope of the church established by Jesus Christ...

This is easily refutable, but just so you don't accuse us of getting our facts all wrong, we will ask you to provide the facts for us.
1. When (what date) did Peter become the first pope at Rome.
2. How long was Peter in Rome.
3. When did Peter come to Rome.
4. When did Peter die?
5. How did Peter die?
6. At what age did Peter die? </font>[/QUOTE]What difference does it make since those events are not found in Scripture? Giving a date or details of death would have to come from other sources and, well... I think we all know how you feel about other sources...

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Briony-Gloriana:

In this the RCC has Peter the first pope of the church established by Jesus Christ...

This is easily refutable, but just so you don't accuse us of getting our facts all wrong, we will ask you to provide the facts for us.
1. When (what date) did Peter become the first pope at Rome.
2. How long was Peter in Rome.
3. When did Peter come to Rome.
4. When did Peter die?
5. How did Peter die?
6. At what age did Peter die? </font>[/QUOTE]According to Eusebius, Peter went to Rome to confront Simon Magus who was talked about in Acts and died by the hand of Nero in Rome. Footnotes in Philip Schaff's translation discuss possible dates and disagreements with other historical sources.

CCEL : Eusebius - Church History

Chapter XIV.—The Preaching of the Apostle Peter in Rome.

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6. But this did not last long. For immediately, during the reign of Claudius, the all-good and gracious Providence, which watches over all things, led Peter, that strongest and greatest of the apostles, and the one who on account of his virtue was the speaker for all the others, to Rome385 against this great corrupter of life. He like a noble commander of God, clad in divine armor, carried the costly merchandise of the light of the understanding from the East to those who dwelt in the West, proclaiming the light itself, and the word which brings salvation to souls, and preaching the kingdom of heaven.386

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Chapter XXV.—The Persecution under Nero in which Paul and Peter were honored at Rome with Martyrdom in Behalf of Religion.

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5. Thus publicly announcing himself as the first among God’s chief enemies, he was led on to the slaughter of the apostles. It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself,541 and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero.542 This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by violet:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Briony-Gloriana:

In this the RCC has Peter the first pope of the church established by Jesus Christ...

This is easily refutable, but just so you don't accuse us of getting our facts all wrong, we will ask you to provide the facts for us.
1. When (what date) did Peter become the first pope at Rome.
2. How long was Peter in Rome.
3. When did Peter come to Rome.
4. When did Peter die?
5. How did Peter die?
6. At what age did Peter die? </font>[/QUOTE]What difference does it make since those events are not found in Scripture? Giving a date or details of death would have to come from other sources and, well... I think we all know how you feel about other sources... </font>[/QUOTE]It makes a great deal of difference. Briony is a Catholic. No Protestant accepts the view that Peter was a Pope in Rome, let alone even a pastor or bishop in Rome. Perhaps he went there under compulsion to die--if he was even there at all. Let the burden of proof fall on the Catholics to give what they believe and from what sources. After all, we would not want to be making "false accusations." Let them first set the stage for this discussion.
DHK