Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions

[Brother Bob]

Sin is sin. All sin in God's eyes is equal.
If your premise is true, (and I don't believe it is), then those with an evil thought, or telling a "white lie," or getting angry, deceiving someone purposely, being unjust, treating someone unfairly, etc. Any of those sins will keep you from heaven, for all sin is equal in God's sight. Sin is sin. Telling a lie is just as great a sin as adultery. Your theology is akin to that of a Catholic.__________________
DHK

So silly IMO, some sins they stoned them to death and some they made them stay outside of the camp for a while, others they were rebuked. I notice you never use the scripture "go and sin no more". The word will stand when the world is on fire. amen, I love the Lord and so Glad He loves me and will keep me unto the end. My Grace is sufficient to KEEP thee.

I would rather be a Catholic than accept what you advocate. If it were true that Baptist believed you could be on your neighbors wife when you died and go to Heaven and sing with the angels, then I would leave them. But I know a lot of baptist and they wouldn't have that on a stick. I sure glad you not a preacher, at least you can't spread your poison from the pulpit and Ed also.

 

[steaver]

Just think what you believe that the Christians are no different than the world but if they commit adultery it is not charged against them. If only all those drunk and adulterers knew they would all come and be saved so they would not have to go to a devils hell while they are doing all those wordly things called sin. I am saddened to hear such doctrine.

I would be saddened as well. You add a whole lot to what I actually said. Christians do not sin because they can and get away with it. True Christians sin because they are not God. Christ lives in me but I am not Christ. You may be a very, very mature and strong Christian. But there are also many babes in Christ and weak Christians. I pray that I might be as close to sinlessness as you are someday, but I do pray that I will not be willing to curse my Christian brother to hell when I find him at the grasp of a sin in his life.

God Bless!

 

[Shiloh]

So silly IMO, some sins they stoned them to death and some they made them stay outside of the camp for a while, others they were rebuked. I notice you never use the scripture "go and sin no more". The word will stand when the world is on fire. amen, I love the Lord and so Glad He loves me and will keep me unto the end. My Grace is suffecient to KEEP thee.
Then you better hope you don't fall over dead before you repent of your sins each day. Bob, a person without Christ can not go to Heaven no matter what they do. A person in Christ can not go to hell no matter what they do. End of the debate for me. I am not going to keep trying to pound something into your head that is second grade stuff.

 

[BobRyan]

Actually Bob Ryan uses Moody's work deceitfully.
Every time Moody refers to the Sabbath he refers to Sunday.

As usual DHK is gaming the facts rather than dealing faithfully with them.

As I pointed out - Moody claimed to rest "ON SATURDAY" - someting DHK finds repulsive since it means REALLY honoring and obeying what Christ Said about HIS own Sabbath Commandment.

Secondly - Moody UPHOLDS the TEN COMMANDMENTS (all of them) as BINDING and CONTINUED for all Christians -- something else DHK finds repulsive to the point of bashing MOODY as being a non-Theologian that we should not listen to on this topic.

Trying to side step both of these glaring facts - DHK then tries to "blame me " for bringing up the case of Moody -- someone who takes positions directly opposed to ALL of DHKs arguments on this subject!!

But then in the "Gaming stance" DHK takes -- he exposes his flawed argument in one last GIGANTIC fashion. In this latest twist and turn of his failed argument he reveals that he finds comfort in A MOODY that while upholding the TEN that DHK condemns -- would AT LEAST not keep the ACTUAL DAY that Christ commanded!!!

How sad!! How fully exposed his REAL motive in making that last argument which is of the form "OK will then uphold and keep the TEN and even the 4th AS LONG as it is not on the VERY DAY Christ commanded"!!! How transparent the argument!

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

You both misread me. I do not believe I do not sin. I just do not believe Christians sin unto death. I do not believe they can die on top of their neighbors wife and go to Heaven.

I ask both of you, do you believe you could be on your neighbor's wife and die and go to Heaven. What kind of Christians are we.

If either of you committed adultery. Could you go back to church Sunday and still feel saved? Think about it. I know you are not so weak that you couldn't help it. So don't use that as an excuse. If you commit adultery it is because wanted to.

 

[BobRyan]

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.


Repentance to Salvation... not repentance from salvation.

Well said!

In Christ,

Bob

 

[steaver]

I just do not believe Christians sin unto death

Ahh, I found something we agree on! :wavey:

God Bless!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Sin is sin. All sin in God's eyes is equal.
If your premise is true, (and I don't believe it is), then those with an evil thought, or telling a "white lie," or getting angry, deceiving someone purposely, being unjust, treating someone unfairly, etc. Any of those sins will keep you from heaven, for all sin is equal in God's sight. Sin is sin. Telling a lie is just as great a sin as adultery. Your theology is akin to that of a Catholic.

Getting angry is not sin. Why do you constantly want to equate anger with sin? Jesus said, 'Be ye angry, and sin not.' -

Do you think Jesus was giving us license to sin?

 

[steaver]

If either of you committed adultery. Could you go back to church Sunday and still feel saved? Think about it.

You don't believe in the Faith Alone concept of scripture?

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Ahh, I found something we agree on! :wavey:

God Bless!

I think we might agree on a lot if it was just you and I talking to each other face to face.

You didn't answer my question, would you still feel saved?

faith alone is dead.

 

[steaver]

If either of you committed adultery. Could you go back to church Sunday and still feel saved? Think about it.

I would feel like dirt! But I would not feel unsaved.

God Bless!

 

[DHK]

So silly IMO, some sins they stoned them to death and some they made them stay outside of the camp for a while, others they were rebuked. I notice you never use the scripture "go and sin no more". The word will stand when the world is on fire. amen, I love the Lord and so Glad He loves me and will keep me unto the end. My Grace is suffecient to KEEP thee.

Jesus said that to the woman caught in adultery. Why are you quoting it to me?
It was in the context of committing adultery. If you rightly divided the word of truth you would know that. He wasn't commanding sinless perfection of that woman, or anyone else.
Sin is sn Bob, when will you come to that realization--that God hates ALL sin.
Sin is a transgression of the law--God's law, Christ's law. The law that says: Pray without ceasing; Love your neighbor as yourself; Love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, mind, and soul; meditate in the Word day and night, (and I could list so many others). There are sins of ommission as well as commission. The things that we omit in our life (times of prayer, time spent in the word) are just as much sin as lying and stealing, for they are commands as well. You will give account for that too.
Sin is sin. All sin is a transgression of God's law. The fact is that you don't have a realization of God's law, Christ's law, and the holiness of God.

 

[Brother Bob]

Jesus said that to the woman caught in adultery. Why are you quoting it to me?

Because He commanded he to go and sin no more.

You think He gave you a different commandment.

 

[Brother Bob]

I would feel like dirt! But I would not feel unsaved.

God Bless!

I tell you something steaver;
You say you would feel saved but it would work on you like a bad apple in a barrel of good apples.

I would go up to church and I been preaching 34 years pastoring for 26 and I would go to church next church time and ask them to remove my name for I was mistaken in my Salvation. I would spent the rest of my life trying to get forgiveness and if I died, I would die praying.

 

[steaver]

I think we might agree on a lot if it was just you and I talking to each other face to face.

I don't know, I am a stickler for not adding any words to the text. Like the argument going on now concerning repentance. The texts do not say "from sins" yet many folks just insist on putting that in. When one judges the scripture exactly for what it states, one will then quote it only if it really supports the position taken.

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Steaver, the scripture says to preach that which becometh sound doctrine.
You admitted that unbelief is sin and finally admitted that you would have to repent from that sin.

Now tell me where those who say "you must repent of your sins" is wrong. According to your own words.

 

[BobRyan]

Sin is sn Bob, when will you come to that realization--that God hates ALL sin.
Sin is a transgression of the law--God's law, Christ's law. The law that says:
Pray without ceasing;
Love your neighbor as yourself; (Lev 19:18)
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, mind, and soul; (Deut 6:5)
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=944316&postcount=272

Well first of all - glad to see DHK INCLUDING parts of the WORD of God in here that he is usually so happy to flee ... as "The commandments" and "laws" of God that define sin.


What about "Love Me and Keep My Commandments"??

4 "" You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 "" You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

DHK
are just as much sin as lying (Exod 20:15)
and stealing, (Exod 20:16)

for they are commands as well.

Whoa! DHK is actually admitting that it is SIN to rebel against God's Commandments!!???

DHK
Sin is sin. All sin is a transgression of God's law. The fact is that you don't have a realization of God's law, Christ's law, and the holiness of God.

Hint: CHRIST IS GOD!!

But other than that -- what a great turn about for DHK!!

Can't believe I am actually seeing him do this!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

[EdSutton]

Thank you Ed;
If scripture says to preach that which becometh "sound doctrine".

It would be sound doctrine to tell "men they must repent of their sins", is that right Ed?

No, Bob, that is not right, for your comments are based on a false premise, namely what I said. The words that I am 'denying' are the ones you said, namely,

"... that you have to repent of your sins"

In fact, contrary to what I'm accused of saying (which I did not), I have never denied that a person must repent, in order to be saved, and have said that this is commanded, for the umpteenth time, at least, over the years. Remember, there were 35 years before I was even aware of a Baptist Board. And I also deny that it is ever sound doctrine to add to or take away from what a verse actually says, or to rephrase something as though it is a verse of Scripture.

It is 'sound doctrine' to speak of "repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 20:21), something that not one peson on this thread, save me, alone, has mentioned. Well, unless you want to include Paul, and God, the Holy Spirit, that is.

It is 'sound doctrine' to speak of "repentance from dead works and faith toward God" (Heb. 6:1), something not one person oopn this thread, save 'yours truly' again, has mentioned. Well unless you want to include Apollos, and God, the Holy Spirit, that is.

It is 'sound doctrine' to preach that we should not "despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" (Rom. 2:4), as Paul and the Holy Spirit have said.

It is sound doctrine to preach that what one must do to be saved is "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved," (Acts 16:31) for that is a direct answer to the question of "What must I do to be saved?"

And I could go on, certainly. But, IMO, it is certainly not 'sound doctrine' to preach that "men 'MUST' repent of their sins", in order to be saved, or in order to stay saved, or in order to show that they were "really and truly genuinely saved", in the first place.

I do not preach or teach any such "turn or burn", "forsake or bake", "cry and try, or fry" religion.

To put it simply, the Bible doesn't talk like that! And I don't either!

Ed

 

[steaver]

I would go up to church and I been preaching 34 years pastoring for 26 and I would go to church next church time and ask them to remove my name for I was mistaken in my Salvation. I would spent the rest of my life trying to get forgiveness and if I died, I would die praying.

All those years and you feel no security in Christ? What you just discribed is not Faith Alone. It isn't any faith at all in Jesus' power to save you from yourself.

You would spend all of your life "trying to get forgiveness"???? How in the world do you preach the gospel of Jesus Christ???

God Bless!

 

[BobRyan]

Much is owed to Brother Bob at this point for bringing DHK to such a confession regarding the Word of God and its binding authority defining sin --