Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions

[standingfirminChrist]

YOu are trying to make the commandments grievous when they are not.

Because I am in Christ I don't have to steal
I don't have to kill
I don't have tolie
I don't have to commit adultery
I don't have toi break any of the Ten bucause not only am I in Christ, but Christ is in me.

Christ promised tokeep His own from the hour of temptation. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. I can overcome by obeying Him, looking to Him, depending upon Him.

If I turn from Him to do abominations, I was not His in the first place. I did not know Him, for I did not keep His commandments.

 

[Amy.G]

SFIC, since you keep all the commandments (all 10), I assume you keep the Sabbath.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 35:3 "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

Exodus 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

Numbers 15:32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.

Numbers 15:35 Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."

Going to church on Sunday is not keeping the Sabbath. So, unless you follow the commands of the Sabbath as commanded in the 10 commandments, you have broken all the commandments, because you broke one. That means that by your own standard of judgement, you do not love God and the truth is not in you.

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

1. Who is to say Peter was saved at the point he denied the Lord? I cannot find Scripture to back up a salvation experience prior to the denial.

Judas was of the 12 Apostles too, yet he was the son of perdition... or do you believe he who betrayed the Lord was saved too? I do not see Judas as being saved, as the Word says 'the devil entered into him'. A devil cannot occupy where Christ is Lord.

2. Peter was to be blamed for what? Scripture does not say he sinned. Only that Paul and he had a disagreement on their method of ministry.

 

[DHK]

YOu are trying to make the commandments grievous when they are not.

Because I am in Christ I don't have to steal
I don't have to kill
I don't have tolie
I don't have to commit adultery
I don't have toi break any of the Ten bucause not only am I in Christ, but Christ is in me.

Christ promised tokeep His own from the hour of temptation. Greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. I can overcome by obeying Him, looking to Him, depending upon Him.

If I turn from Him to do abominations, I was not His in the first place. I did not know Him, for I did not keep His commandments.

No, I am stating what the Bible states. Peter sinned. Jesus looked at him with sorrow. Paul rebuked him publicly because his sin was public.
Paul addresses the Corinthians as believers, in fact as saints. Then page after page he deals with their sins:
divisions, offences, carnality, false doctrine, suing one another, immorality, abuse of the Lord's table, gluttony, drunkenness, abuse of the spiritual gifts, etc. Were all of these unbelievers? No they were believers. Paul writes to them as saints, Christians that had problems that needed correction. No Christian lives a perfect life.
The Christian who claims that he does is calling Christ a liar.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

SFIC, since you keep all the commandments (all 10), I assume you keep the Sabbath.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 35:3 "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

Exodus 31:14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.

Numbers 15:32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.

Numbers 15:35 Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."

Going to church on Sunday is not keeping the Sabbath. So, unless you follow the commands of the Sabbath as commanded in the 10 commandments, you have broken all the commandments, because you broke one. That means that by your own standard of judgement, you do not love God and the truth is not in you.

Do you see how ridiculous this is?

I see another has joined in to accuse me falsely. First off, read the Commandments, Amy. You will find that work is not to be done on the Sabbath. I do not work on the Sabbath. To refrain from work was the only command in that commandment. I have not broken it as you would surmise.

 

[Amy.G]

I see another has joined in to accuse me falsely. First off, read the Commandments, Amy. You will find that work is not to be done on the Sabbath. I do not work on the Sabbath. To refrain from work was the only command in that commandment. I have not broken it as you would surmise.

How many Christians have a fire burning in their fireplace on the "Sabbath"?
I'll bet you have friends that do even if you don't.

Exodus 35:3 "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

You do not keep the OT Sabbath. I only gave you a few verses. You need to do a study on it.
If we are still under the OT law of the commandments, why don't we stone adulterers?

 

[Brother Bob]

How many Christians have a fire burning in their fireplace on the "Sabbath"?
I'll bet you have friends that do even if you don't.

Quote:
Exodus 35:3 "You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

You do not keep the OT Sabbath. I only gave you a few verses. You need to do a study on it.
If we are still under the OT law of the commandments, why don't we stone adulterers?

I think Jesus made a few adjustments about keeping the Sabbath. Anyway, why not answer the following scripture instead of excuses? I know you have read this scripture and was wondering how you dismiss it? There are plenty others to go with it.

1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[DHK]

1. Who is to say Peter was saved at the point he denied the Lord? I cannot find Scripture to back up a salvation experience prior to the denial.

Peter's Great Confession:

Matthew 16:16-18 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
--Peter confessed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus said that his confession was not of man but it was revealed to him from the Father which is in heaven. What further proof do you need?

Judas was of the 12 Apostles too, yet he was the son of perdition... or do you believe he who betrayed the Lord was saved too? I do not see Judas as being saved, as the Word says 'the devil entered into him'. A devil cannot occupy where Christ is Lord.

He betrayed the Lord; a little different than denying the Lord. The Lord labeled him as the son of perdition, unsaved. We have a completely different story. Peter repented. Judas did not.

2. Peter was to be blamed for what? Scripture does not say he sinned.
Only that Paul and he had a disagreement on their method of ministry.

Galatians 2:11-14 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Read the entire chapter if you have to. It speaks for itself, and is quite self-explanatory. Peter, knowing full well that the Gentiles were on an equal footing with the Jews, and were to be treated as such, went back to his old ways and separated himself from the Gentiles. He treated them as unclean. He caused quite a stir among many of the Jewish beleivers who followed his example and began to separate also from Gentile believers going back to their former ways and treating them as unclean (dogs). That is blatant sin. For this ruckus Peter was to be blamed. God is no respector of persons. We are all one in Christ. Peter knew that truth, but was not acting on it. He was sinning against God.

 

[Amy.G]

I think Jesus made a few adjustments about keeping the Sabbath. Anyway, why not answer the following scripture instead of excuses? I know you have read this scripture and was wondering how you dismiss it? There are plenty others to go with it.

1Jo 2:4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

What are His commandments? Is John referring to the 10 commandments? No.
1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing His sight.
3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love on another, as He gave us commandment.

This is why John says "he who says, "I know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him". We are commanded by Christ to love on another. If we have no love for the brethren, we are not keeping His commandment. If we do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, we are not keeping His commandment. Therefore, if we do not keep these 2 commandments, we do not have the truth in us.
The 10 commandments (along with many more) were given to the Jews. We as Christians are not under that law, but the law of Christ. Here is the law of Christ:
1)believe on the name of Jesus Christ
2)love one another

"By this we know that we are in Him." (1 John 2:5)


And please show us the scripture where Jesus "made adjustments to the Sabbath" law.

 

[DHK]

I think Jesus made a few adjustments about keeping the Sabbath. Anyway, why not answer the following scripture instead of excuses? I know you have read this scripture and was wondering how you dismiss it? There are plenty others to go with it.

Jesus never made any adjustments to the Sabbath. He just didn't keep it. He was Lord of the Sabbath, not servant to it.

If you are to keep the Sabbath in our day and age, you have to apply the principles of the Sabbath.
They couldn't have a fire. The fire was for heating and for cooking.
That means you must do away with all electricity and gas for heating. Whatever is used for cooking--whether it be electricity to make a cup of coffee or tea, the oven, stove, or the electricity for light in the home, or for the furnace in the house, do without it.
Now, do you keep the Sabbath. You could have a fire. But you couldn't pick up sticks or gather the fuel. What I am saying is that for all the fuel you would need for those things it would have to come from an independent source--gathered ahead of time. You can't allow your company to gather it for you. You have to apply the Sabbath rules of yester years to today.

 

[Brother Bob]

Mat 12:5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

[DHK]

Mat 12:5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Mat 12:8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Both verses, along with their context and the actions of Jesus show that Jesus did not keep the Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 5:17-22
17 Think not that I am come to[b] destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Matt 19:17 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



I Jn 2:3-4
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

Ephesians 6
1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise),
3 SO THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU, AND THAT YOU MAY LIVE LONG ON THE EARTH.

 

[Brother Bob]

Mat 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


Rom 13:1¶Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.


Rom 13:9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Still teaching the commandments to the church in Rome.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 13:9 keeps quoting the "NOT the
Ten Commaments" TEN COMMANDMENTS just when some want to argue "Christ's commandments - NOT the TEN COMMANDMENTS" but some OTHER commandments that JUST SO HAPPEN to continue to QUOTE the TEN Commandments!!

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

What are His commandments? Is John referring to the 10 commandments? No.

The Ten are still the word of God the the church at Rome Amy: Have you an answer for this?


Rom 13:1¶Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.


Rom 13:9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Always leave out the part "concerning me".

Luk 24:44¶And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

How come the commandments are still being taught to the Corth.
1 Corth.
6: But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7: Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Peter's Great Confession:

Matthew 16:16-18 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
--Peter confessed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Jesus said that his confession was not of man but it was revealed to him from the Father which is in heaven. What further proof do you need?

There are many who know who Jesus is. Teh devils profess that Jesus is the Christ and yet are not saved. Peter's profession at that time does not necessarily mean that Peter was saved at that time. As a matter of fact, just a little while later Jesus told Peter 'Get thee behind me satan, thou art an offense to me'. So much for your argument that Peter was saved just because of a profession.

 

[Amy.G]

There are many who know who Jesus is. Teh devils profess that Jesus is the Christ and yet are not saved. Peter's profession at that time does not necessarily mean that Peter was saved at that time. As a matter of fact, just a little while later Jesus told Peter 'Get thee behind me satan, thou art an offense to me'. So much for your argument that Peter was saved just because of a profession.

So, you think Peter's confession was the same as the devils? Why then did Jesus say that the Father revealed this to him? Why did He say "upon this rock I will build my church"? Does the Father reveal mysteries to the devils? Did Jesus build his church on the testimony of devils?

 

[Amy.G]

The Ten are still the word of God the the church at Rome Amy: Have you an answer for this?

Bro. Bob, what about the Sabbath? You still have not answered that one. Do you keep the OT Sabbath, following the laws that it requires? What you really mean is you keep the 9 commandments.

 

[Brother Bob]

I am like Jesus on the Sabbath. I keep it as he did. If the ox falls in the ditch, I will get it out. Other than that I do as the Sabbath was first setup and that is to rest on the Seventh. We also have church on Saturday but not that we hold it as the Sabbath. We have always held Sunday. If I am sick and have to miss church on a Sunday, I really do feel bad about it.

Amy;
What amazes me is on the Commandments we are talking about adultery, lying, stealing, killing, dishonoring father and mother, worshiping a cow or idol, etc. I find it hard for someone to even find it necessary to defend against not doing those things or breaking them. Looks to me a true Christian, even if they didn't believe we were to keep the Ten Commandments they would find it hard to say well you can break them if you want.

I have brethren in our church that says the same about the Commandments but when I begin to take them through them one at a time, they agree we can't do those things and serve God, but they want to call them the "Law of Christ". Well, call them what you like, as long as you keep them.

Just think, if the message of the Pastors is not to worry about the Commandments we are sending the wrong message to our people that they can sin and I just think that is wrong. Just maybe people like Haggard would never strayed if he had been taught right to start with.