Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions

[Brother Bob]

I am sorry that you lack understanding and refuse it when it is given.

 

[steaver]

With all respect, the verse says one must repent (metanoeO), and be converted (ephistrephO) in order that your sins be blooted out, I agree for this is exactly what the verse says, You are the one who added the "of your sins" bit to the first word, not Peter who spoke them, not Luke who recorded them, not the listeners who heard them, not the Holy Spirit who caused them to be recorded. Only you, in this post.

Ed

DHK and ED, Right on! There is no verse in scripture that states one must repent of their sins for salvation.

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

If a Christian doesn't go to hell if he/she dies without repenting of every sin they commit, what happens....... 2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. That's why the old timers always talked of "keeping a short account." A Christian must live as Godly as possible in this world but you need to remember that we still have that old nature and are susceptible to sinning. To say you never sin once you were saved is to call God a liar. You might try to convince everybody that you don't sin but I bet if I talked to your neighbor they would say something different.

You can talk to my neighbor all you want and they will not say they ever saw me lie, commit adultery, steal, kill, worhip a cow, dishonor my father and mother, etc. Get the idea?

So now we have three that hinting you don't have to repent of your sins. God help us

 

[BobRyan]

With all respect, the verse says one must "repent (metanoeO), and be converted (epistrephO) in order that your sins be blooted out", I agree for this is exactly what the verse says.

You are the one who added the "of your sins" Ed

2 Corinthians 12:21
I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.

Acts 5:31
" He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 3:19
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, " Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 24:47
and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.


SAME as Pre-Cross

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

1John 1:9 - IF WE CONFESS our sins He is faithful and just TO forgive us our sins AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



In Christ,

Bob

 

[steaver]

BobRyan, Can't you rightly divide the scriptures that you post?

Repent FOR the forgiveness of sins!

Repent from WHAT?

Repent from UNBELIEF to BELIEF in Jesus Christ! And your sins will be blotted out!

God Bless!

 

[Shiloh]

Brother Bob, you explain IICor. 5:10 to me.

 

[BobRyan]

It's a moot point since the Sabbath Moody was referring to was Sunday, and not Saturday. That kinda defeats your argument.

On the contrary - the reader EASILY sees that HIS SUPPORT of the TEN COMMANDMENTS and even the SABBATH commandment is in direct contradiction to those who deny, oppose and reject them.

You really should stop using him as an example of your defense for the Sabbath. He doesn't defend the Sabbath (Saturday). And when you say that he does you are being deceitful and slanderous.

Try saying something truthful in that slander of yours.

It will cary your argument much farther with the reader.

To help you out - I will offer D.L.Moody's statements here.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

As we now have 3 saying not to repent of your sins.

Ed, steaver and DHK; Would you each tell me what is repent mean?

Repent from UNBELIEF to BELIEF in Jesus Christ! And your sins will be blotted out!

Ok steaver, you already answered. Now please answer this; is unbelief SIN?

 

[BobRyan]

DHK has been asking for it -- so here it is... for "all to read"...

http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html
Fundamental Baptist Institute

http://www.fbinstitute.com/

presents

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY

The Ten Commandments:

Exodus 20:2-17 ​

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The Fourth Commandment
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Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy[/b]. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: [b]for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.[/b]​

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THERE HAS BEEN an [b]awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day[/b], and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

[b]I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, [b]He did nothing to set it aside[/b]; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

 

[steaver]

As we now have 3 saying not to repent of your sins.

Ed, steaver and DHK; Would you each tell me what is repent mean?

To Turn. Turn from unbelief in Jesus Christ to belief in Jesus Christ and your sins will be forgiven. Then you may begin to clean up your new life in Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit indwellment and begin repenting of any sins that you learn of as you grow in Christ.

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Ok Shiloh
10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


We will all stand before God and receive our just reward whether it be good or bad. We will either hear him say "come ye blessed of my Father"
Or we will hear him say "Depart ye workers of iniquity (sin), I never knew you.

Ok

 

[Shiloh]

Wow, if Moody said it, it has to be right......right?

 

[Brother Bob]

To Turn. Turn from unbelief in Jesus Christ to belief in Jesus Christ and your sins will be forgiven. Then you may begin to clean up your new life in Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit indwellment and begin repenting of any sins that you learn of as you grow in Christ.

God Bless!

Ok steaver, if "unbelief" is sin, then its saying to turn from sin, is that right?

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan, Can't you rightly divide the scriptures that you post?

Repent FOR the forgiveness of sins!

Repent from WHAT?

Let me post it again -- this time slowly --

2 Corinthians 12:21
I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.

 

[EdSutton]

Act 3:19Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Luk 24:47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem


I find it hard to believe that not one but two on here question that you have to repent of your sins.

Add me to the list along with rbell and DHK. oN second thought, don't for I don't at all "question that you have to repent of your sins", I flatly deny it.

And I deny that those exact words are to be found in the Bible, anywhere.

And I just as flatly and firmly believe and teach that one has to "repent", for this is commanded in Scripture, although I'm habitually falsely accused of not believing this, and for far longer (35 years) and by far more than are on the BB. I merely believe and teach that "to repent" ('metanoeO' - to change one's mind) is the 'flip side', so to speak of "to believe" and in the noun form refers to changing one's mind about God and Christ, and believing in Him for salvation, trusting his once for all finished work on the cross.

But I guess I am in fairly good company and if grahame and Allan would agree as well, as rbell, and DHK, the five of us could get a Basketball team together. I just noticed steaver. Wanna' be on our Basketball team, so I can sit on the bench? I'll happily do that, and I'll try and convince Amy G. to lead the cheers and see if I can get Shiloh to do his Bobby Knight imitation and be the coach. :tongue3: :thumbsup: :laugh:

I'll shut up now, for I don't want to get an undesired vacation from posting.

Ed

 

[steaver]

Ok steaver, you already answered. Now please answer this; is unbelief SIN?

Yes! Unbelief in God's revealed Son. So yes there is ONE sin that you must repent of. ONLY ONE that is for salvation, and salvation is the issue and is why we say Faith Alone.

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

To Turn. Turn from unbelief in Jesus Christ to belief in Jesus Christ and your sins will be forgiven. Then you may begin to clean up your new life in Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit indwellment and begin repenting of any sins that you learn of as you grow in Christ.

God Bless!

That is not what I ask you steaver.
Is "unbelief" SIN?

 

[Brother Bob]

The way you write in a circle, you confuse me at times Ed but you do err bad. Go ahead and play ball, maybe you be better at that.

 

[steaver]

Let me post it again -- this time slowly --

2 Corinthians 12:21
I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.

Where do you see salvation mentioned in this scripture?

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes! Unbelief in God's revealed Son. So yes there is ONE sin that you must repent of. ONLY ONE that is for salvation, and salvation is the issue and is why we say Faith Alone.

God Bless!

Thank you steaver.