Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions

[steaver]

Ed, In a little fairness to Bob, I to misunderstood the last post of yours, sorry. :sleep:

 

[Brother Bob]

And I could go on, certainly. But, IMO, it is certainly not 'sound doctrine' to preach that "men 'MUST' repent of their sins", in order to be saved, or in order to stay saved, or in order to show that they were "really and truly genuinely saved", in the first place.

To put it simply, the Bible doesn't talk like that! And I don't either!

Ed

Well, I think you believe that unbelief is SIN? You say to repent is to "turn" and if unbelief is sin then you believe it is correct to say you must turn from sin or repent from sin.
And I could go on, certainly. But, IMO, it is certainly not 'sound doctrine' to preach that "men 'MUST' repent of their sins", in order to be saved, or in order to stay saved, or in order to show that they were "really and truly genuinely saved", in the first place.

To put it simply, the Bible doesn't talk like that! And I don't either!

Ed

I say it is "sound doctrine" and must be taught to men that they must repent from their sins. Even if you say it means to "turn". Still they must repent (turn) from their sins. I think your teaching is wrong and should not be taught to a lost and dying world.

 

[steaver]

Much is owed to Brother Bob at this point for bringing DHK to such a confession regarding the Word of God and its binding authority defining sin --

Hey there you go brother Bob, You have the SDA's on your side! Bob Ryan is always thrilled to see a fellow Christian condemn faith alone in Jesus Christ. Walk that line!! Or Burn!! (Regardless of your faith in Jesus)

God Bless!

 

[BobRyan]

2 Corinthians 12:21
I am afraid that when I come again my God may humiliate me before you, and I may mourn over many of those who have sinned in the past and not repented of the impurity, immorality and sensuality which they have practiced.

Acts 5:31
" He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 3:19
"Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, " Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 24:47
and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.


SAME as Pre-Cross

Luke 3:3
And he came into all the district around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins;

1John 1:9 - IF WE CONFESS our sins He is faithful and just TO forgive us our sins AND to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[EdSutton]

Ed, In a little fairness to Bob, I to misunderstood the last post of yours, sorry. :sleep:

"Everyone wake up for one second or two! That is the meaning of quotation marks!" - Languge Cop
OK, everyone can go back to :sleep: or even :sleeping_2:! 'Cause that's where Me and LC are headed.

Ed

 

[BobRyan]

Hey there you go brother Bob, You have the SDA's on your side! Bob Ryan is always thrilled to see a fellow Christian condemn faith alone in Jesus Christ.
God Bless!

Is that a quote of me???

well of course not! Why quote me when bashing me -- when you can simply quote youself -- then bash me!!

Well done!

Excellent methods -- and consistent.

I on the other hand - will stick with scripture on this one.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

All those years and you feel no security in Christ? What you just discribed is not Faith Alone. It isn't any faith at all in Jesus' power to save you from yourself.

You would spend all of your life "trying to get forgiveness"???? How in the world do you preach the gospel of Jesus Christ???

God Bless!

I never questioned you faith and do not think you have a right to question mine. I think it is terrible disrespectful.

I believe this scripture also;

Hbr 6:4For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Hbr 6:5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Hbr 6:6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

 

[Brother Bob]

Hey there you go brother Bob, You have the SDA's on your side! Bob Ryan is always thrilled to see a fellow Christian condemn faith alone in Jesus Christ. Walk that line!! Or Burn!! (Regardless of your faith in Jesus)

God Bless!

I like Bob Ryan;

Here you take the side of DHK, who said we are not under the Commandments and then turn right around and use them. A double minded man is unstable in his ways. IMO

 

[steaver]

I never questioned you faith and do not think you have a right to question mine. I think it is terrible disrespectful.

Your own words question your security in Christ. Don't accuse me.

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

Is that a quote of me???

Not at all. Did it come up in quotes on your PC? I believe you are very secure in your position of faith alone. Don't know why you see it as "bashing".

God Bless!

 

[Brother Bob]

Your own words question your security in Christ. Don't accuse me.

God Bless!

No, just shows I am an honest man and you would deceive the church and yourself if you were guilty of adultery and still claiming to be saved. Well, that is what the GWT is for. They will say, Lord we have done many wonderful works in thy name and He will say depart ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you.

Who do you think that is. Some people in the church who are not what they posess to be.

 

[EdSutton]

Ed, In a little fairness to Bob, I to misunderstood the last post of yours, sorry. :sleep:

That's OK. I just tried to edit one of his posts, since there was so much of what I had written there, and with the quotations missing, and couldn't figure out why it would not let me. :laugh: :laugh:

It is obviously bedtime.

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

Well at least we got DHK now quoting the Big Ten as they call them.

 

[steaver]

No, just shows I am an honest man and you would deceive the church and yourself if you were guilty of adultery and still claiming to be saved.

You just don't see. My life is hid in Christ. Jesus is my mediator. My Lord's blood covers absolutely every sin I have ever or ever will commit. Born again is an act of God that cannot be undone. When I fail He will not. Because He lives I will live. Because He is eternal life, my life is eternally His. He will never leave me nor forsake me. Even if God forbid I commit a sin as dirty as adultery. His blood will take care of that one as well. Praise be to Jesus and not to I or my righteousness.

God Bless and good night! :sleeping_2:

 

[EdSutton]

Well, I think you believe that unbelief is SIN? You say to repent is to "turn" and if unbelief is sin then you believe it is correct to say you must turn from sin or repent from sin.
And I could go on, certainly. But, IMO, it is certainly not 'sound doctrine' to preach that "men 'MUST' repent of their sins", in order to be saved, or in order to stay saved, or in order to show that they were "really and truly genuinely saved", in the first place.

To put it simply, the Bible doesn't talk like that! And I don't either!

Ed

I say it is "sound doctrine" and must be taught to me that they must repent from their sins. Even if you say it means to "turn". Still they must repent (turn) from their sins. I think you teaching is wrong and should not be taught to a lost and dying world.

Since I did not say (and do not believe) repent means "turn", I think you are confusing what another said, with me, here.

My own position is and has been very clear. "Repent" usually means "a change of mind", and always when the word is the usual one (metanoeO) at least in the NT. The word translated "repent" in the OT (nacham) literally means "to be eased, or comforted". There is a word for turn (shub) in the OT, and a corresponding word (epistrephO meaning convert) in the NT, that are never properly rendered "repent".

On the BB however, one can find a lot of words from Scripture given new definiti...!

Ed

P.S. When is someone going to tell me what sins God was repenting of??? I'm still waiting, since some of you posters keep saying repent means "repent from your sins!"

 

[Brother Bob]

You just don't see. My life is hid in Christ. Jesus is my mediator. My Lord's blood covers absolutely every sin I have ever or ever will commit. Born again is an act of God that cannot be undone. When I fail He will not. Because He lives I will live. Because He is eternal life, my life is eternally His. He will never leave me nor forsake me. Even if God forbid I commit a sin as dirty as adultery. His blood will take care of that one as well. Praise be to Jesus and not to I or my righteousness.

Well, the world is full of adulterers but not God's church and anyone who is an adulterer is not saved IMO.

We always think this is someone else.

Luke 13:
24: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25: When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26: Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27: But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28: There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.


Woe unto these if there are any.

Hbr 6:4For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Hbr 6:5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Hbr 6:6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

 

[Brother Bob]

repent = metanoew
metanoeo in GREEK
met-an-o-eh'-o
from meta - meta 3326 and noiew - noieo 3539; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.


compunction

1 a : anxiety arising from awareness of guilt <compunctions of conscience> b : distress of mind over an anticipated action or result <showed no compunction in planning devilish engines of...destruction -- Havelock Ellis

 

[DHK]

Well at least we got DHK now quoting the Big Ten as they call them.

James 2:10-11 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:27-28 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

I always have believed in the "BIG NINE" The Sabbath isn't one of them. There is not one verse in the Bible that supports the Gentile Christian keeping the Sabbath in this age of grace before the Second Coming of Christ.

The question for you Bob, is: Do you believe in these commandments:
I don't believe you do.
I don't believe that you think that simply looking upon a woman wishfully desiring her is actually adultery as Jesus plainly said it was. And if you suddenly died of a heart attack without confessing such a sin would that sin of adultery (as Jesus described it) prevent you from entering into heaven, or is it just the actual physical act? You are being hypocritical if you divide the sin into two classes when Jesus didn't. You are also being hypocritical saying that you can completely control your thought life. Not even Paul could do that.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Think on these things!
All the time. Think only on these things. Are your thoughts always pure, true, honest, just, lovely, and of good report? Always Bob? Always???
If not you are just as wicked as the adulterer.

 

[Linda64]

From an article by Evangelist John R. Rice, "What Must I Do To Be Saved?":

WHAT ABOUT REPENTANCE?

Does not the Bible say that we must repent? Yes, the Bible plainly says that "God ... commandeth all men every where to repent" (Acts 17:30), and again, "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:3, 5). This was the preaching of John the Baptist, of Jesus, of Peter and of Paul, that men should repent. And certainly repentance is God's plan of salvation. The trouble here, however, is that men misunderstand what repentance means, and there has grown up an idea that repentance means a period of weeping and mourning over sin, or sorrow for sins. This idea comes from the Douay Version of the Bible which instead of "repent" says "do penance." So the place of inquiry, where people should be taught the plan of salvation from the Bible, in revival meetings, became "the mourner's bench" and thousands of people have been taught that God would not hear their prayer nor forgive their sins until they went through a process of sorrow and mourning over their sins!

Do not misunderstand me. God is anxious for you to have a penitent, broken heart over your sins. You have gone away from God. You have trampled under foot the blood of Jesus Christ, wasted years of your life which you can never live over again. You have served your father, the Devil. There is plenty for you to weep over, and I am not surprised if you feel deep shame and sorrow in your heart that you have so mistreated the God who made you and the Saviour who died for you. I am not surprised if you cannot keep back the tears! But what I want you to know is that tears or no tears, however much sorrow you may have in your heart, or not have, those things do not save you.

You ought to be sorry for your sins and ashamed of them. "Godly sorrow worketh repentance" (2 Cor. 7:10)--the right kind of sorrow leads to immediate repentance, but mourning is not itself repentance.

"Could my tears forever flow,
Could my zeal no respite know,
These for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and Thou alone."
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To repent literally means to have a change of mind or spirit toward God and toward sin. It means to turn from your sins, earnestly, with all your heart, and trust in Jesus Christ to save you. You can see, then, how the man who believes in Christ repents and the man who repents believes in Christ. The jailer repented when he turned from sin to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

http://www.wayoflife.org/whatmust.htm

 

[BobRyan]

I guess this means I actually agree with Linda on something --

In Christ,

Bob