Oops, another political issue bites the GOP. And they hoped so much for the opposite result.
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Tennessee Decided To Drug Test Welfare Recipients. The Results? The GOP Will Be Dumbf
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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Source for this "news article"? Sounds like an editorial to me.
Sorry for the slip in forgetting to put in a link; so I will enter several.
• Few Tennessee welfare applicants fail drug tests - USA Today
www.usatoday.com/.../tennessee-drug-testing-welfare.../2314...
• Tennessee's Drug Tests Of Welfare Recipients Find 37 Drug ...
thinkprogress.org/.../tennessee-drug-tests-after-six-months/
Six months into its experiment with drug testing welfare recipients,Tennessee's tests have caught just 0.2 percent of all applicants for public ...
• Drug Testing Welfare Users Is A Sham, But Not For The ...
slatestarcodex.com/.../drug-testing-welfare-users-is-a-sham-but-not-for-t...
Daily Kos: Tennessee Just Wasted A Lot Of Money Drug Testing Welfare Recipients. ReverbPress: Another GOP Fail: 0.2% Of Tennessee ...
• Tennessee just wasted a lot of money drug testing welfare ...
www.dailykos.com/.../-Tennessee-just-wasted-a-lot-of-money-
If you need more links I can provide them.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...see-drug-testing-welfare-applicants/23140147/
37 of 16,000 tested positive.
8 others refused the written test, and were disqualified.
81 others decided not to complete the application because of the testing requirement.
37 of 16,000 tested positive.
8 others refused the written test, and were disqualified.
81 others decided not to complete the application because of the testing requirement.
I have no idea about the written test. Maybe someone from TN can tell us.
Interesting the results from other states show how wasteful the testing is as those receiving welfare have a far lower percentage of drug users than the population as a whole.
What a waste of money.
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So if you answered "no" on the test you weren't drug tested ?
"Under the rules, all applicants for Families First, which provides a small monthly stipend for qualifying families with children, must answer a three-question written drug screening test.
Applicants who answer "yes" to any of the questions — if they have used illegal drugs, lost or been denied a job because of drug use or had any scheduled court appearances related to drug use in the prior three months — are asked to take a drug test."
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"Under the rules, all applicants for Families First, which provides a small monthly stipend for qualifying families with children, must answer a three-question written drug screening test.
Applicants who answer "yes" to any of the questions — if they have used illegal drugs, lost or been denied a job because of drug use or had any scheduled court appearances related to drug use in the prior three months — are asked to take a drug test."
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Zaac
Well-Known Member
There you have what? If all those folks were using, that would still be less than 1% of the folks tested.
I don't get it.
Why is the GOP so interested in whether or not these particular folks use/abuse drugs? They can't use their food stamps card for drug money can they?
Gosh the GOP should be testing all the folks who aren't on welfare and see how many of their constituents are hooked on pain pills.
The "study" is not holding up to scrutiny.
What sick mind and heart full of disdain for conservatives believes that conservative people are "so hoping" that welfare recipients are all on drugs?
Sapper Woody
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If you were taking drugs, and knew a drug test was coming up for you to get money, you'd stop taking it in time to take the test, possibly even using a system cleanser beforehand.
And yes, they can buy drugs with welfare stamps, etc. The hawk them outside a grocery store, sometimes as low as 50 cents to a dollar. They buy your groceries with their stamps, and you pay them money, saving you money and giving them cash for whatever they want.
I am all for drug testing welfare recipients, if there were a sure way to do it. But there's not. They can just "clean up" for a couple days. Or, in the case of some drugs, use a cleanser, like drinking vinegar. Even further, they cam purposely contaminate the sample, making it inadmissible.
I was a UPL for my company (urine collector, basically) and had to go through the training. If it's not done by the letter, it's inadmissible.
And yes, they can buy drugs with welfare stamps, etc. The hawk them outside a grocery store, sometimes as low as 50 cents to a dollar. They buy your groceries with their stamps, and you pay them money, saving you money and giving them cash for whatever they want.
I am all for drug testing welfare recipients, if there were a sure way to do it. But there's not. They can just "clean up" for a couple days. Or, in the case of some drugs, use a cleanser, like drinking vinegar. Even further, they cam purposely contaminate the sample, making it inadmissible.
I was a UPL for my company (urine collector, basically) and had to go through the training. If it's not done by the letter, it's inadmissible.
Zaac
Well-Known Member
I guess they can do that with the cards too. There's always a way.
I think it doesn't make much sense unless you're gonna drug test recipients of all federal dollars( SS benefits, Medicare, Medicaid payments,health care,child care assistance, unemployment, housing assistance, etc).
Social Security benefits are for those who have worked for it. Workers pay into SS and get retirement/Medicaid/Medicare benefits. And their beneficiaries receive benefits. Those benefits have been paid for by the worker. Disability benefits are also paid in by the worker. Why should someone have to prove anything via a drug test if it is their own money they have earned?
SSI for the disabled is the only benefit that I know of that doesn't come from the taxed income of the worker. My mentally retarded legally blind (born blind in right eye and 20/200 in left eye) brother gets SSI and believe you me, we had to prove it all in a court of law. And he still gets re-evaluated every decade.
SSI for the disabled is the only benefit that I know of that doesn't come from the taxed income of the worker. My mentally retarded legally blind (born blind in right eye and 20/200 in left eye) brother gets SSI and believe you me, we had to prove it all in a court of law. And he still gets re-evaluated every decade.
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Zaac
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If it were YOUR money then you should , at some point, be able to be guaranteed all YOUR money back. And there is no correlation between what you pay into the system and the benefit you receive.
Social Security is the cornerstone of the welfare system. Folks don't want to accept that because then it puts them in the same category as the folks they belittle for being on welfare. Social Security is welfare for senior citizens.
In the words of another, Social Security is an intergenerational, income-transfer, wealth-redistribution welfare program.
The money you pay in isn't sitting there waiting for you.
SSI is welfare.
That's ridiculous. Nothing more need be said.
Makes the statistics worse than useless , doesn't it? Might as well not test any of them, if you're going to just take their "word" for it. Ridiculous.
hmmm....Since I can be drug tested to continue to receive a paycheck, I don't really see the problem with drug testing someone that receives a check without working.
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