The 144,000 of Revelation 7 & 14

In another thread, the question was asked why Dan and Ephraim were left out of the list of the 144,000 in Revelation 7. I believe that question was answered and then the thread began to deviate to the "Identity" of the 144,000.

Here are the verses in question:

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Are these 144,000 saved Jews (from the Church Age) which were taken up in the Rapture, "selected and sealed" in heaven, and sent back to the earth for special service on the earth during the Tribulation? OR, do these 144,000 (12,000 from each tribe of the children of Israel) come out of the nation of Israel who were NOT taken in the Rapture and "selected and sealed" on the earth for special service....then redeemed from the earth (Revelation 14:3)?

 

I agree that the 144,000 will probably be eunuchs

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

However, I do not believe that this will happen before the Rapture, otherwise, why would they need to be "sealed"? We are all "sealed" with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption when we are saved. (Ephesians 4:30) There is major evangelism in Israel now...and Jews are getting saved...but they become members of the Church at salvation.

How does "the first shal be last and the last shall be first" Scripture fit into this scenario? Just wondering?

 

Great application, Bro! According to Romans 1:16, the gospel is always to go "the Jew first and also to the Greek".

As far as the 144,000, we know they are all Jews...but those Jews who are "sealed" in Revelation 7 are not the Jews who are being saved today. The Jews who are being saved today are members of the Church/the Body of Christ. The Church will not be going through the Tribulation. This is my point....refuting the doctrine of that other thread that the Jews in Revelation 7 will be the ones saved during the Church Age and "sealed" in heaven and sent back to earth during the Tribulation...there is no Scriptural proof for such a doctrine.

 

I thought was an interesting definition. It is possible that these 144,000 could be eunuchs...according to the third type of "eunuch"

Thanks for this information about the Israeli military---I was unaware of this fact. Could be prophetic.

 

Thank you for the correction on the eunuchs...however, I don't think I said the 144,000 would "literally" be eunuchs, but a type of "eunuch"...according to the description in Revelation 14.4. I agree that the qualifications for priests would fit that description. I also agree with the remainder of your post.

As far as the first question....that was brought up in another thread by another poster...which is the reason I started this thread...in order to refute it. According to that poster, Jews who are saved in the Church Age will be "sealed" in heaven (144,000) and sent back to earth for "service" during the Tribulation...and no Scripture was given to prove it.