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The 2nd Wave

Benjamin

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“Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana

If we had learned from history, as the 1918 flu reveals, we would know that they came to find out that they took the benefits from social distancing too lightly and completely abolished it too soon and experienced a 2nd wave that was much worse than the first.

It is one thing to open up the economy carefully and social distance as much as possible to slow the spread and provide time for the development of treatments and a vaccine to save many lives.

It is quite another thing to demand the right to gather in large groups for social activities and completely let down our guard in disregard of the many lives it will cost for not taking the precautions seriously.

The worst thing seems to be that so many are basing their reasoning according to divisive hyper partisan rhetoric because it promotes pure irrational defiance of not protecting the rights of the all the people and ignores the middle ground that we must do both, keep the economy open and slow the spread.

I sometimes wonder how far this might go and how bad it might get because of the political divisiveness in this country. I often pray that God gives us mercy and does not give us what we probably deserve for the lack of caring for the rights of our fellow man no matter which side you are on.

We will either work together responsibly to slow the spread and keep the economy going or we fail to do so together. If some use their “rights to choose” to ignore our national plan others will have no choice because the virus doesn't give choice, the virus uses everyone it can to infect whoever it can. Breaking the law and protesting for things like to congregate at the beach, attend concerts and other large group social activities is nothing to be proud of and it is certainly not patriotic, it is the opposite, is selfishly jumping on a hyper partisan bandwagon that is likely to increase the problem and denying others the right to be safe. It is an immoral and necessary thing to do. Likewise, bringing the economy down to a point that people start to starve can be just as bad, where only those with the means to feed themselves will be able to survive and others are not afforded that right. My point, which will probably be ignored, is that there has to be middle ground and we have to/should be working together rather than focusing on partisan divisions to come to our conclusions and actions.

Maybe there will come a time when the partisan narratives will be examined more sanely as to not repeat the failures of the past, that would be my hope, but what I am hoping not to see at this point is that we are setting ourselves up to be in line to dramatically teach this country a lesson on why we should have worked together because of a devastating 2nd wave that will increase the divisiveness and cost us all more than we than we ever would have needed to pay.

I really hope to be wrong, but I can not ignore that a reality check might be coming through a 2nd wave that is going to cause some soul searching before we finally develop the resources to ultimately defeat COVID-19.

Example:

 

timtofly

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Well the next thing is going to be a horrible economy, war, famine, and a fight with wild animals over territory boundaries.

When that happens all will wish we were back in our homes worrying about covid19.
 

carpro

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Sounds like some people should find a new place to live. Maybe one where an authoritarian government and people with no rights is the accepted standard.

At all costs, Americans that like being free and independent need to guard their 2nd Amendment Rights. They won't be just coming for your guns. They'll be coming for every right a free American has and then they'll demand your souls.

Freedom to worship as you please will be gone. Christians will be considered a danger to an orderly society.

That's the new normal they seek.
 
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Benjamin

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Sounds like some people should find a new place to live. Maybe one where an authoritarian government and people with no rights is the accepted standard.

At all costs, Americans that like being free and independent need to guard their 2nd Amendment Rights. They won't be just comeing for your guns. They'll be coming for every right a free American has and then they'll demand your souls.

Freedom to worship as you please will be gone. Christians will be considered a danger to an orderly society.
Thanks for the example of partisan thinking.

My point, which will probably be ignored, is that there has to be middle ground and we have to/should be working together rather than focusing on partisan divisions to come to our conclusions and actions.
 

carpro

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Thanks for the example of partisan thinking.

So you think having Constitutional rights is a "partisan" issue.

Sounds like you should just fold your tent and let big brother run your life. You don't deserve the rights you have.
 

church mouse guy

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Sounds like some people should find a new place to live. Maybe one where an authoritarian government and people with no rights is the accepted standard.

At all costs, Americans that like being free and independent need to guard their 2nd Amendment Rights. They won't be just coming for your guns. They'll be coming for every right a free American has and then they'll demand your souls.

Freedom to worship as you please will be gone. Christians will be considered a danger to an orderly society.

That's the new normal they seek.

Canada is already down the road and we will follow if we elect Biden.
 

carpro

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Canada is already down the road and we will follow if we elect Biden.

The thing about the left is that they watch and learn. What they have learned is that we will meekly give up our rights if they can find something to keep us afraid.

We have shown them, that we, as Christians, will give up our rights to worship together if they can keep us afraid. They have discovered they can achieve all their goals with fear, and they want this virus, or threat of another one to keep us afraid enough to give in.

Right now, as we can see in this thread, they want to gin up fear of a "second wave" to keep us in line.
 

carpro

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Well the next thing is going to be a horrible economy, war, famine, and a fight with wild animals over territory boundaries.

When that happens all will wish we were back in our homes worrying about covid19.

No. We won't. At least Christians won't.

God has a plan. Fear of life is not part of His plan. Neither is fear of death.

And worry is a sin.

A virus doesn't even deserve a mention.

He is in control...or He isn't. Which do you believe?
 

timtofly

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The thing about the left is that they watch and learn. What they have learned is that we will meekly give up our rights if they can find something to keep us afraid.

We have shown them, that we, as Christians, will give up our rights to worship together if they can keep us afraid. They have discovered they can achieve all their goals with fear, and they want this virus, or threat of another one to keep us afraid enough to give in.

Right now, as we can see in this thread, they want to gin up fear of a "second wave" to keep us in line.
Or you could just be more vocal and get all your rights like they did, good luck trying to take away people's right to sin and disobeying God. That is the right that Christianity as a force to be reckoned with, threatens them the most.

People know what it is to be godly. They enjoy their sin more.

When all are given rights, no one has any rights.
 
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carpro

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timtofly

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No. We won't. At least Christians won't.

God has a plan. Fear of life is not part of His plan. Neither is fear of death.

And worry is a sin.

A virus doesn't even deserve a mention.

He is in control...or He isn't. Which do you believe?
God's people will take God’s judgment with patience, because they know and fear God. God’s judgment is on the disobedient church. If you think Christians are perfect without apostasy, then you are not prepared for the return of Christ. We do not fear life, nor death. But we cannot escape God's punishment for our works on earth that are selfish and self fulfilling. Those will be burned up and it will hurt.

The church will not go through the judgment of Jacob/Israel nor the judgment of the Nations. But all will go through the judgment of the church, and that is why their blood is required on the churches hands. All those dying from covid19 are charged to those in the church, not their own faults. If they were followers of Christ then they made it to heaven without going through the last seal of judgment on the church. They have already passed through the fire. It is those who are alive and not prepared whom the fire will hurt the most.
 

church mouse guy

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God's people will take God’s judgment with patience, because they know and fear God. God’s judgment is on the disobedient church. If you think Christians are perfect without apostasy, then you are not prepared for the return of Christ. We do not fear life, nor death. But we cannot escape God's punishment for our works on earth that are selfish and self fulfilling. Those will be burned up and it will hurt.

The church will not go through the judgment of Jacob/Israel nor the judgment of the Nations. But all will go through the judgment of the church, and that is why their blood is required on the churches hands. All those dying from covid19 are charged to those in the church, not their own faults. If they were followers of Christ then they made it to heaven without going through the last seal of judgment on the church. They have already passed through the fire. It is those who are alive and not prepared whom the fire will hurt the most.

Don't look out the window until Bill Gates gives the all clear.
 

carpro

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Don't look out the window until Bill Gates gives the all clear.

When Gates tells you, that in order to be vaccinated, you have to accept a chip, what will the answer be?

A question to which all Christians should know the answer because they know what it means.
 

church mouse guy

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When Gates tells you, that in order to be vaccinated, you have to accept a chip, what will the answer be?

A question to which all Christians should know the answer because they know what it means.

Gates should be arrested for crimes against humanity.
 

Benjamin

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So you think having Constitutional rights is a "partisan" issue.
No, I think you are obsessed with panicking over losing your constitutional rights because of being a partisan puppet.
Sounds like you should just fold your tent and let big brother run your life. You don't deserve the rights you have.
Sounds like you will be part of the problem rather than the solution. My rights are and will remain free, I reserve my concerns for reality like the potential danger from this virus and that danger to people's lives being accelerated by crazy partisan rhetorical talk.
God has a plan.

He is in control...or He isn't. Which do you believe?

Yet, another case of Triple C Syndrome. AKA: The (Calvinist COVIDIOT Correlation) DO nothing then! Including stop your "sinful worrying" about your priorities of losing your rights to support your partisan divisive arguments. Don't look now but you are revealing the treasure in your heart while you should be holding to your belief that all things are predestined and nothing you say or do will make any difference about your rights. Take your own advice. You will rise or fall as predetermined!
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church mouse guy

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Everyone says that this could last two more years so the best thing to do is stay in the basement and not look out the window, which is against the law in some states anyway. No wonder the smart money is dumping airline stocks. Now the question becomes is it okay to sit on a park bench with no one else around as the Royal Canadian Mounted Police recently ruled would be okay in Toronto?
 
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