This study goes over why it is a sin to be in debt, to lend at interest, and to engage in various forms of usury that are common in American culture. The study can be found in English here The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here La Abominación del Usura y el Interés, y la Esclavitud de la Deuda | Sabiduria de Dios, let us begin a discussion on this matter here.
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The Abomination of Usury and Interest, and the Slavery of Debt
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Good thing we Christians are not under the Law of Moses.
Is that so?
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (Matthew 5:17 [NIV])
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19 [NIV])
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18 [NIV])
Yep, that is so.
Galatians 3
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith."
12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”
14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Galatians 4
4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.
What do you suppose the curse of the law is, the law itself, which is called perfect,
The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple. (Psalm 19:7 [NIV])
Or death, for disobeying the law that is perfect?
The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple. (Psalm 19:7 [NIV])
Or death, for disobeying the law that is perfect?
Not going to go down your rabbit hole. The law has been done away with. We Christians are under a new covenant. Hebrews 8:13
If that is what you think, I wonder what Jesus Christ will say to you on the day of judgment,
But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.' (Matthew 7:23 [NLT])
Good thing we're not under those Old Testament laws anymore. (Nice cherry-picking on the translation used. Only one that references the law in that verse.)
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Is that so? Where do you suppose Paul derives who will not inherit the kingdom of God,
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10 [NASB])
If not by the law that you so easily discard, which has the following corresponding commands,
…if she begins to fornicate…she shall be burnt with fire. (Leviticus 21:9 [JB2000])
“You shall have no other gods before Me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol…
(Exodus 20:3-4 [NASB])
“You shall not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14 [ESV])
“A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak…
(Deuteronomy 22:5 [ESV])
If a man lies with a male as with a woman…they shall surely be put to death… (Leviticus 20:13 [ESV])
“You shall not steal. (Exodus 20:15 [ESV])
“You shall not covet…anything that belongs to your neighbor.” (Exodus 20:17 [NASB])
‘You shall not go about as a slanderer among your people… (Leviticus 19:16 [NASB])
“‘Do not defraud or rob your neighbor… (Leviticus 19:13 [NIV])
Tell me, you who say the law does not apply to you, does the command of the law of "do not steal" not apply to you?
Jesus reiterated many of the Ten Commandments. I believe they all apply to us except keeping the Sabbath.
Ah, so pick and choose which commandments you want to obey,
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:19 [NIV])
Let us see how well it goes for you on the day of judgment. Nothing further need be said. It is difficult to reason with stubborn man that so easily discards the commandments of God to obey the commandments of God!
But they, our fathers, acted arrogantly; They became stubborn and would not listen to Your commandments. (Nehemiah 9:16)
And the next thing you should also consider is that even Hebrews 8:13 does not attest that the law has been thrown out in contradiction to the words of Jesus Christ that it hasn't, for the law will indeed pass away, but when heaven and earth passes away, hence why the verse says "will soon disappear", meaning it hasn't disappeared yet,
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:18 [NIV])
By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (Hebrews 8:13 [NIV])
Because this law of death will no longer exist in the new heaven and new earth where death will no longer exist, so the law will vanish away with the old earth and old heaven,
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. (Revelation 20:11 [NIV])
So circumcision is a valid law that should be followed today?
Ah, you have asked an excellent question, do you not know what the "shadows of the law are"?
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17 [NIV])
These particular laws, inclusive of circumcision of the flesh, are all foreshadows that point to different realities found in the new covenant. Let me map it out for you:
1. Passover lamb requirement = Jesus Christ as the reality of the passover lamb.
2. Festival of Unleavened Bread = reality to put away sin.
3. Festival of First Fruits = reality of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
4. Festival of Weeks (Pentecost) = reality of the giving forth of the holy spirit.
5. Festival of Trumpets = reality of the second coming of Jesus Christ with the sound of trumpets.
6. Day of Atonement = reality of the gathering of the elect from all over the world.
7. Festival of Booths = reality of the time the elect will begin to live in the encampment that will exist in Israel for them.
8. Seventh Day Sabbath = reality of the millennial kingdom of Jesus Christ that corresponds with the last thousand years of the full seven thousand years for this heaven and earth to exist.
9 Circumcision of the flesh = reality of the circumcision of the heart to discard your sinful nature (foreskin of the heart), and free you from sin.
10. Abstinence from foods = reality to not yoke together with unbelievers, for the behaviors of unclean animals symbolize the behaviors of ungodly men.
As such, these laws that are identified as shadows, are obeyed by fulfillfing their respective realities. Whereas laws, such as, "do not kill", "do not murder", still apply in their literal sense.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It seems that somehow (to Lucifer's great delight) nearly all Christians have forgotten that God gave man not only the Ten Commandments, but also Ceremonial Laws, and Civil laws. Of note is that His Ten Commandments were etched in stone , a virtually "timeless" medium while all others were on parchment that would one day "pass away" once Heaven came down to earth. It is clear that "Temple Law " regarding sacrificial offerings was put to an end by Christ's crucifixion, symbolized by the renting of the vail between the Holy and Most Holy by unseen hands.. Recall that Jesus said "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." What Law you ask...those etched in stone that reside in the Ark of the Covenant. And what is left to be "fulfilled"...the very advent of Christ's return for which I eagerly await. So who then will comprise "the redeemed" and what are their characteristics? "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." Pretty plain to me, that's why I am a Saturday Sabbath-keeping Christian, with the Law of God in my heart and in my mind, relying on the blood of Christ to cover my humanly inevitable transgressions, both in action and in thought...and not by works, least any man should boast.
If that is so, then christians aren't in covenant with the Creator of the universe and are no better than the other lawless gentiles.
Oh oh oh, tag me in!
Galatians 5
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
So you're saying you're a - murdering idol worshipper who steals other men's wives while disobeying your parents and giving false testimony? What is that? You do all of this on the sabbath too while cursing His name?
Must be great to be free from those laws...
please share with me your testimony of Gods grace in your life, thanks!
Its definitely not that he came to die so I could be a lawless hooligan.
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