The Absurdity and Deception of the Warnings in Calvinism

Ben, don't you know the warnings of believers falling away are all hypothetical and the commands for all men everywhere to repent are just there for show?

 

Keep living by the law gentlemen...
Even schoolboys know the difference between imperatives and indicatives.

 

So the bible is full of hypocracy?

 

Just in case, why don't you give us some samples of the differences.

 

So the bible is full of hypocracy? </font>[/QUOTE]Wes, I hope you don't think I was being serious. It's an example of sarcasm.

 

Here's a couple of imperatives for you, rc:

"Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the good and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but towards you goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:20-22.

It's imperative that Christians not be haughty but to fear. It's also imperative that Christians consider both the goodness and severity, since it's indicative that they are currently standing by faith. If they don't continue in the faith it will be indicative that they will have cut themselves from Christ. The indicative is contingent on obeying the imperative to continue.

 

So the bible is full of hypocracy? </font>[/QUOTE]Wes, I hope you don't think I was being serious. It's an example of sarcasm. </font>[/QUOTE]I took it as Sarcasm, and added my own to it. Wish I could better say things with the classical "jewish" slant. My sarcasm would have come across better.

 

Understood.

 

"The indicative is contingent on obeying the imperative to continue."

There is no indicative in the grammer... sorry.
You missed the whole point. Paul uses the imperative IN GRAMMER to not allow the person to have an indicative MEANING BEHIND IT. That's EXACTLY what you are trying to do DT. It does not and can not imply something you are ABLE to do but what you OUGHT to do. Therefore showing where you ARE in Christ and not what you should DO to be in HIm.

 

rc;
Do you know what your talking about?. I don't think that you do

 

Unfortunatly I know to well what I'm speaking about. I'm working on getting my Dr's in theology. The whole premise would take a book to explain to laymen why this is absurd. Fortunatly you can take 5th grade English and learn imperatives and indicatives for yourself. YOU CAN NOT TAKE an imperative and be indicative with it. Isn't that just common sense to you people? This was well destroyed in Luther's answer to the Diatribe of Erasmus. The book is "The bondage of the will". He only spent 3 pages talking about it, but is vitale to the whole understanding of the whole debate. Even a quick description of Luthers reply would be a task. My shoolboys statement was a quote from this book... hoping someone would pick up on it but unfortunatly, it looks like no one has read it ... sad.

 

rc;

Right after kindergarden Huh!

 

Unfortunately you took 5th grade English! PLEASE tell me you were not home schooled!

rc, you're a teacher who is getting their doctorate? People laugh because your spelling is so horrible! Grammar has NO e. There is no e in vital but you left out the e in fortunately. "to well" should be too well and unfortunatly also has an e, unfortunately.

Before attacking others and implying they're less educated than you, you might want to download a spell/ grammar checker.

 

First of all, I don't have a checker, could care less, and secondly though grammar is important, typing fast tends to make you miss. 75 wpm will get you to misspelll some... ha !

I usually have an editor corrrect my junk when it's important. This is casual and among people that I'm not trying or caring to impress. If need a job Diane I can send you some papers to correct if you wish.

The point, I will not let go of no matter. DR. LUTHER stated the same and I stand behind these much more learned men than I.

 

rc;

My! My! and yet you don't know when you're out classed.

Can't your third grade teachers do that.

Mike

 

ILL,

I'm holding you responsible for your untruth ILL.
Where in protestant church history did the church call Calvinism heretical? ... still waiting? I want the proof ! Until you show me, I'm going to consider everything you say to be unverivied garbage.

 

rc;
Your ignorance of church history wouldn't get you out of the first grade

 

I'm the one showing it... I'm the one asking you for an inkling of proof... sounds like your the first grader!

I'm still waiting..... or did you just lie and don't want to admit it...