the attributes of god

Then He isn't all knowing. You guys like to hide behind your fancy wording. You either know everything(omniscience) or not know everything. You don't believe he knows everything even thought the Bible CLEARLY says he does.

 

1) God remembers no more our sins forever. Does this mean God can't recall what we did in the past or that they shall not be brought up against us.

2) Did Jesus know the time of His returning? Well he said he didn't but Jesus was also 100% man as He was 100% God and Jesus did claim that the Father knew the time.

3)Did God know beforehand that Abraham would be willing to slay his son? Well I believed God did and that is why he gave him precious promises and called him to be the Father of Faith. I Also know Abraham believed him and the lad would return to his servants. I understand the Angel stopped Abraham when he raised the knife and said now I know that thou didn't with hold thy only son from me. Was this shown to reveal to us God was really uncertain what Abraham would do or was it done to show us that Faith is not confirmed in profession of mouth only but by our works. If one says he loves the Lord but doesn't keep his commandments then his works find him out. Like James said you say you have faith without works but by my works I will show you my faith.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Abraham trusted God because God was with him. 1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Yes I most certainly believe God Declared the end from the beginning and from ancient times called those things that are not as though they were.

I look at it like knowing in general and knowing in a intimate way.
Psalms 139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off
Psalms 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
One is told from afar off and the other is to be by searching and trying.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now here were some claiming to do these things in the name of Christ, Now did he not know them at all in general as far as who they were. I believe God would know who they were in general but not in an intimate way as far as his Spirit leading them unto good works. Or as a way of knowing in remission of their sins.

Now I know where you are at and have come across others that hold it just like you do. But I for one am not able to be in that camp. I just don't see it that way as you will probably not see it my way. I believe God knows all but God also deals with Man. When He went talking with Adam in the Garden after he ate of the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil, I believed God already knew all about it but would be like me addressing one of my children to see what I could get them to confess when I already knew of the matter.

 

:thumbsup: Well stated. The Bible teaches that God knows everything, so I believe it. I don't make up definitions to try to pretend that I believe that God is ALL knowing. Well stated!

 

This really humorous. A Calvinist accusing someone else of hiding behind fancy wording! :laugh:

 

I saw some posts referencing your inability to believe God knows everything. Wasn't exactly sure what that meant because I had not seen any of your posts till now.

You contradict yourself here with this "all knowing" doesn't really mean all knowing.

 

I commend you for demonstrating how you disagree with another brother in a reasonable way. Unlike some, you don't refer to those who hold different views using adjectives like "bull", "baloney" or ridiculous. Thank You.

 

In many verses the Bible declares that God is all knowing; that God knows the end from the beginning. This is declared over and over again throughout the Scriptures. He is all-knowing. Omniscient means omni + science or all + knowledge = all-knowledge. That is the meaning of the word. How can you say that we have an "unbiblical" meaning of the word. The meaning of the word itself, when broken down, means "all-knowledge," and that is what God has: "all-knowledge" about all things everywhere throughout all time for all ages.

You accuse us of having an unbiblical definition of omniscience. Can you please provide a Biblical definition of omniscience from an authoritative source.

If you cannot, saying that God is less than all-knowing is making God less than divine; less than deity. For example Muslims, define Allah as all-knowing. Is our God less than Allah?? If he is not all-knowing he is not deity, and he is less than the other gods of this world--as they see it.

 

Bro. Jeremy,

I am one who believes that when God forgives us of our sins, He also forgets them. This doesn't make Him not all-knowing, for He is just that. But, if He chooses to forget our sins when He saves us, would that make Him less than all-knowing? BTW, I really like that last sentence, and you, very well, may be right.

Jesus did state that only the Father knows the exact end of time. Jesus is God, but He stated that His Father was the only One who knows. But the ways of God our sooooo much higher than ours, that none of us can comprehend most of what He does, and why He does it.

I agree with all of this!!! Well stated, Brother Jeremy!!

I preached on God and Adam and Eve before, and this is what I said once. When God came to them, He knew what they did, but He wanted them to say it. When God asked Adam where he was at, Adam stated he was naked and ashamed and hid himself. God then asked him,"who told you, you was naked?" God knows that if given enough rope, we'll hang ourself everytime.

i am I AM's!!

Willis

 

Have to remember that the Bible describes the Lord in ways 'down to our levels"

Jesus did not know the time of His return while upon the earth, as He decided NOT to use His divine attributes while upont he earth. limiting hHimself to being fully man...
He did all things thru relying on his father, in power of the Holy spirit, so he gave Himself like "amnesia" on things, experiencing things as man does...

Now back to the Father, in glory, once again "took up" again use and functioning in ALL of his Divine attributes

God does know All things possibly can be known, as He exists apart/outside of Time, and everything is "present/right now" to Him, so all things already happened per Him, sees "beginning and end"

 

Jesus did veil his divinity while on earth. As a human he was bound by the limitations of time and space; he got tired and slept; he needed food; he was not faster than a speeding bullet.

But he didn't veil his divinity completely. He controlled the elements; he raised the dead; he healed the sick; he restored the ear Peter cut off.

He also discerned the thoughts of men.

I frankly do not know why Jesus said the Son did not know the time of his return. But saying he purposely refused to know (but later took back his knowing)it doesn't quite do the trick for me. Self-imposed amnesia is a real stretch, I think

 

I wouldn't call it self-imposed amnesia. As a man he chose not to use his divine attributes. We see the exercise of those attributes only some of the time; for example when he was approaching Nathanael.

He did not exercise his omnipotence when he went to the cross. He rebuked Peter, telling him to put up his sword, and then told him that he could have called 12 legions (72,000) angels from heaven to protect him. Just one angel in the OT destroyed 186,000 Assyrians. What would 12 legions do to that petty Roman army? He held back. He did not exercise his omnipotence. Neither was it his Father's will to disclose at that time the time of his coming. Thus he did not exercise him omniscience. He chose not to. He chose not to exercise his omnipresence as well.

 

I think that I was speaking to his kenosis, self imposed limitation of becoming a Man, Jesus chose to limit Himself to same conditions physically as we all experience...

Think when He needed to "know/do" things Supernaturally, was not exercising His own Divine attributes, but that the Holy Spirit was "giving HIM" those things...

 

I agree. We even see the heavenly father "limit" himself in other instances. For example, could God have just made Jonah want to go to Nineveh by supernaturally changing his will? Did He need to use the storm and a big fish? God most often chooses "normative" or "outward" means to accomplish his purposes, though I don't think anyone here would doubt that God could have "violated" Jonah's will by simply making him willing. Clearly, he wanted it to be Jonah's choice, so using circumstances to convince Jonah was God's chosen method. I think that reveals a lot about God's MO...

 

I asked you before, what is the Biblical view and how do you arrive at it, and never got an answer. Here is my previous post:

 

Van, I believe that your definition is "your own," that is, man-made, one that you have arrived at without the Bible. I have demonstrated that the word omniscient in and of itself means "all-knowing."

"omni" + "science" = all + knowledge = all-knowledge or all-knowing.
We serve a God who has all knowledge and/or is all-knowing. There are many verses to back this up. Does the Bible contradict itself? If we stick by your definition then it does.

God cannot be less than all-knowing. If he is then he isn't God. In fact he is less than the other gods of this world.

Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men; ) (1 Kings 8:39)

For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; (Job 28:24)

Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. (Psalms 139:12)

He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. (Psalms 147:4)

The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good. (Proverbs 15:3)

Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men? (Proverbs 15:11)

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth. (Isaiah 40:26)

And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, (Acts 1:24)

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. (Hebrews 4:13)

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. (Acts 15:18)

The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. (Psalms 14:2)

Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isaiah 44:8)

--He is eternal, and his knowledge is infinite, beyond comprehension. He has not limited himself in any way.