The Book of Romans

Me thinks that you you like the sound of your own key board.

 

No that's what you are trying to make the text say. This has absolutely nothing to do with our eternal salvation.

Eternal salvation has nothing to do with walking in the Spirit. Eternal salvation has everything to do with believing on the substitutionary death and shed blood of Jesus Christ.

Again if we would start off of step one on the right foot it would make things so much easier to understand.

 

Absolutely...if we walk in the Spirit. Again that is a day-to-day choice a Christian has to make and really a moment-by-moment decision.

If it is the practice of the Christian to die to self and allow the Spirit to control him/her then there will be no condemnation.

However, the opposite of that statement is true. If a Christian allows the flesh to rule their life then there will be condemnation.

But it doesn't have anything to do with eternity. How can we know that? Because Ephesians 2:8-9 and Acts 16:30-31 tell us that eternal salvation is a one-time event that once it is done it is done.

Walking in the spirit is not a one-time event, but a lifetime choice that has to be made each and every day until we die. Therefore it can not be dealing with grace through faith. It's a different context.

 

Claudia again you are totally missing what I'm saying. I'm not saying that people have the right to go out and sin (but I've said that over and over again as have other people). But just becuase we don't have the right to do something doesn't mean that some people (most Christians according to Scripture) aren't going to do exactly that.

I will agree that when God says if we love Him we will keep His commandments to the extent of the Sabbath. I do not believe that was intended for the one new man in Christ.

Why do I say that? Because it was given as a sign. And signs are only for the Jews.

So all Christians are no longer bound by the Sabbath. Should we remember the concept and the reason for the Sabbath? Absolutely! Becuase the same reason it was given for a sign to the Jews is going to happen for the bride of Christ and that is a coming day of rest. The 1,000-year period of Christ's rule and reign over this earth. That is our awaited Sabbath rest as believers and it will also be the day of rest for Israel when that nation is healed and reigns from Jerusalem over all the Gentile nations.

Again we are bought with the blood of Christ and are not our own anymore. But that doesn't mean that people don't take over the reigns of their life again. It happens every day. That is exactly what happens when you and I sin. We are not walking in the Spirit, but walking in the flesh.

But hopefully the difference for you and I is that it was a slip up and not a lifestyle.

 

Hate it when that happens That will probably make my last post read a little weird, becuase I thought that was your response

 

Claudia I'm not sure exactly what that will mean as the context of the verse you are speaking of is after eternity has begun. I think God has purposely not revealed much about eternity to us, because that's not where our focus is to be.

Eternity for us is secured at the moment we place our faith in the substitutionary death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

Therefore we can do nothing to get more saved, or do nothing to become less saved or anything to become unsaved. So there is no need to focus on eternity.

However a lot hangs in the balance as to that 1,000-year period prior to eternity beginning.

I do not doubt that God's people will honor Him and worship Him and praise Him in eternity. As to how it pertains to the sabbath I'm not sure as I don't think we are told. If we are I haven't found it yet.

The reason it was given to Israel was that it was a reminder that God worked six days to restore a ruined creation and that He was at work again six days to restore another ruined creation in man and that He would rest at the end of the six days. It was a reminder to Israel of God's established plan/pattern. There is a lot we can take away from the sabbath I just don't think the Bible makes it a "law" for Christians to follow.

 

Most of Christendom considers the six days to be of actual creation, but it is six days of restoration, because earth was ruined (judgment fell on the earth and caused a ruined state) becuase of Satan's rebellion.

He was the original ruler of the earth and still is. Man was created on the sixth day to take over the reigns from Satan, but man disqualified himself before he was able to take the scepter.

God is again at work and will work six days to restore man to his original commission which was to rule the earth.

All of human history has been and is pointing to that day when man returns to his original purpose and he will do that through Jesus.

Israel will rule from the physical earth for 1,000 years because they will be healed and restored as a nation, becuase they will recognize their Messiah. And Christians (found worthy and who overcome) will rule with their Husband from the heavenly sphere where Satan and his crew currently rule from.

That is just a very brief look at what I was talking about. If you would like a more indepth look just PM me.

 

Claudia, I just posted on the "justification" thread and aswer to this and i don't want to do a repeat. What I will say is that you and jjump are actually missing Pauls point. You automatically assume that "Walking" here means our actions. In this text it does not mean that. It is the condition of the heart of a person. The saved person walks in the Spirit, regardless of day to day actions. The unsvaed person walks in the flesh and is carnally minded, even if that person does good things. Think about it backwards instead of forwards and that may help. Can an unsaved person walk in the Spirit? (capital "S") even if they serve people and love people and do good to all? Now just reverse that and you will understand what Paul meant. Verse 9 of Chapt. 8 tells the story as Paul tells his readers they are not walking in the flesh. Think about that, he declared that without knowing what their day to day actions are.

more later,

In Christ,
Brian

 

Brian let me ask you a question. Since all saved folks are walking in the Spirit according to you, does that mean the entire church body will be the bride of Christ?

 

Unless one has heard of Christ and God, one is lost in this world. It does not matter how much good one does or how good one is unless Christ comes into one's heart, he is dead to this world. It is hard to live in this world without hearing about Christ and God, but there are some who have not heard the news. That is where we come in. It is our duty as stewards under Christ to spread the news as some put it, so these people who have done good all their life and are pure at heart can have that choice to be justified for the sake of the Word of God. I am not saying that children who are still born or die at an age before accountablility die in sin, for only God knows that. We should all walk in Faith of God and not by sight only. AMEN

 

I agree w/ bri guy....we are always in the Spirit positionally ROM 8:9......let us keep in step w/ the Spirit practical living.....plus most original manuscripts didnt include this phrase in v/1 it ended w/ Christ


rusty

 

I agree with that too. It was fairly recently, that I have learned that "flesh" as Paul meant it, really was addressing the physical inheritance along with Lawkeeping the Jews were trusting in. This is basically what the entire book of Romans is about. We associate "the flesh" with "the sins of the flesh" (mostly sexual sins, and perhaps rage, gluttony, etc), and many think that focusing on the Law is the furthest from that, but in actuality, anyone trusting in the Law is rejecting grace, and thus still in the same spiritual state as the most profligate lawbreaker.
We have to be careful with this "daily walk" we and our leading "Christian victory" teachers often speak of, because I have seen where it can easily revert back into works-salvation.

 

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