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The Bride of Christ

J. Jump

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I've read many great works on theology by many great men. What is the name of the great man of God who teaches this idea of two salvations?
I know your request is really in jest, but just so you can't accuse me of not answering your question I will give you one. Read some Watchman Nee stuff. You can find his stuff online and free to read there.

By the way I don't agree with "all" of what he teaches, but he does have an understanding between the difference in the salvation of the spirit and the soul.
 

Hope of Glory

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www.inthebeginning.org has much of it online by Govett, Nee, etc.

Tozer is available online.

www.hopeofglory.net will give you access to hundreds of mp3's, both past and present.

If you want a copy of the writings of AE Wilson, let me know and I'll post it for you.

Go to http://www.schoettlepublishing.com/ and click on the "books online" tab at the top, and you can get many free books online.

Here's a direct link for S. S. Craig's "Dualism of Eternal Life": http://www.schoettlepublishing.com/booksonline/craig/eternallife.htm
 

BobRyan

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here is another reference.

Paul -

Gal 1:6-11 there is only ONE Gospel.

Romans 6:23 the wages of sin is "death".

John

Rev 20 - the SECOND death is the reward of those not raised in the FIRST resurrection (for "The dead in Christ rise FIRST" -- 1Thess 4).

in Christ,

Bob
 

steaver

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(Eliyahu)....For example, who are the friends of the Groom?
Who are the guests for the Wedding Party?
Bridegroom is Jesus Christ, then who will form the Bride, though we know she is the Church.
Then will all the Christian believers become the Bride?
Or only the 144,000 will be the Bride, and the rest will be the guests and friends?
Rev 14 doesn't seem to show us all the Believers are the Bride.
These are questionable and I am still in the meditation about it.

Sorry for not responding brother.

I want to post another commentary that lays out the marriage supper of the Lamb with very good references and clearly indictaes the timing and the place of this marriage.

"The use of marriage as a symbol of god's eternal spiritual union with people appears repeatedly in Scripture. In the OT, unrepentant Israel was likened to an adulterous wife (Hos 2:1-8). In the NT, Jesus Christ referred to the faithful church as his virgin bride (John 3:29).

In ancient Israel there were three phases to a legal marriage. The first stage was a betrothal, a legal binding agreement entered into by both parties. The second phase involved the coming of the bridegroom to meet his bride. The last part of a marriage celebration was the marriage supper hosted at the home of the groom.

Our spiritual life echoes this marriage ritual. Our spiritual betrothal as Christ's bride began when we accepted him as our Savior. Christ's appearance in the air to rapture the church is the equivalent of the bridegroom coming to meet the bride. John's vision in Revelation details the final phase of the church's marriage to Christ with his description of a glorious marriage supper in heaven between the complete bride of Christ and their Savior in the presence of the assembled angelic host.

Some posttribulation scholars suggest that the marriage supper of the Lamb will take place in the air while the chuirch is being raptured. They contend that this will allow the church to rise in the air with Christ and immediately return to earth to participate in the Battle of Armageddon. This view presents some difficulties because of the clear words of Jesus' promise to bring believers to be with him in heaven (John 14:3).

Other scholars suggest that the marriage supper of the Lamb must take place between Christ's coming for his church and his return with the saints at Armageddon. These scholars contend that after the rapture and the bema judgment, when all Christians have received their rewards for their righteous works, the believers will participate in the glorious marriage supper between Christ and his faithful bride. This supper will occur in heaven at the same time that the judgments of the tribulation are being felt on earth.

Specific grammar in John's prohecy affirms this sequence of events. Note that John says, "the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready" (Rev 19:7). The Greek word translated "is come" is written in the Greek aorist tense, signifying an act that was completed in the past and needs no other action or limitation. this indicates that the marriage will be consumated by this point and will precede the second coming of Christ. Only after describing the marriage supper does John then record his vision of Christ's return to earth at Armageddon.

There will also be guest at this wedding, those "which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb" (19:19). Guest are "called" or invited to a wedding, whereas the bride and the bridegroom are the honored host. The guest of the marriage supper of the Lamb are the tribulation martyrs, OT saints and the host of heaven. While the saints of Israel will live with the Christian saints in the new Jerusalem, the OT saints are not the bride of Christ. Even John the Baptist reffered to himself only as a wedding guest when he likened himself to a friend of the Bridegroom (John 3:29).

John's detailed vision of the marriage supper includes a description of the bride's garments. Dressed in "fine linen, clean and white" (Rev 19:8), the church is shown as completely cleansed through the attonement of Christ's completed work on the cross. Though some suggest that the church must suffer through the tribulation to cleanse and purify her in preparation for the marriage supper , these scholars have forgotten that we are not purified by tribulation. We are purified solely by Christ's righteousness applied to our hearts through faith in him as our Lord and Savior.

Because the bride is clothed with fine linen this also affirms that the church has already participated in the bema judgment where rewards are given for faithful works. Note also that John later describes the believers "clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (19:14) as they leave heaven to join in the Battle of Armageddon . This passage then confirms this order of events: the rapture, the bema judgment, the marriage supper and the return to earth at Armageddon."
(This commentary is printed in my prophecy bible, I was looking for the source but it escapes me right now, I will look more later and post it if it is there somewhere).

God Bless! :thumbs:
 

steaver

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It is very clear from scripture that the JSOC, the bema judgment for the bride of Christ, is not the judgment of the nations in Matt 25. This is yet another proof that scriptures cited by the "1000 years of hell" camp do not add up.

God Bless! :thumbs:
 

BobRyan

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Some posttribulation scholars suggest that the marriage supper of the Lamb will take place in the air while the chuirch is being raptured. They contend that this will allow the church to rise in the air with Christ and immediately return to earth to participate in the Battle of Armageddon. This view presents some difficulties because of the clear words of Jesus' promise to bring believers to be with him in heaven (John 14:3).

My denomination is "postTrib" but does not subscribe to the "high bounce" doctrine of other post trib groups that claim that God simply bounces the saints at the second coming -- high up in the air to watch them land again.

Rather we go with the John 14 doctrine that Christ comes to TAKE the saints to the heavenly home that He has been preparing for them that "WHERE He is THERE the saints may be also". Heaven is where the Marriage supper takes place.

That post-trib rapture is the 1Thess 4 event -- it is the FIRST resurrection where the "Dead in Christ rise FIRST" and are taken along with the living saints to heaven just as Christ promised.

After the 1000 years are completed - that New Jerusalem filled with the saints comes down out of heaven from God.

in Christ,

Bob
 

steaver

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My denomination is "postTrib" but does not subscribe to the "high bounce" doctrine of other post trib groups that claim that God simply bounces the saints at the second coming -- high up in the air to watch them land again.

:laugh: That's a good one!

Post-trib has a few problems scripturally. One is we are not appointed to wrath (1Th 5:9) . Two the church must be taken out of the way (2Th 2:7) . Three we would be able to calculate the exact day of Christ's return because it would be exactly seven years to the day after the anti-christ was revealed and Jesus said no one would know that day (Matt 24:36) .

I believe there are others but these three come to mind.

God Bless! :thumbs:
 

BobRyan

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1. The church is not appointed for God's wrath - and God's wrath does not fall on them just as the plagues did not fall on Israel in Egypt - but after the plagues fell - Israel walked out of Egypt. It is the same sequence that we see in Matt 24 - after the great tribulation Christ comes to rapture the church.

However the church has ALREADY gone through over a THOUSAND years of persecution - too late to claim that the church will not be severely persecuted. In fact it is still going on.

2. No such thing as "seven years of tribulation"

3. 2Thess 2:7 does not say "the church will be taken out of the way".

See - there is not as much separating our views as you thought! ("High Bounce" -- I just now made that one up)

in Christ,

Bob
 

steaver

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1. The church is not appointed for God's wrath - and God's wrath does not fall on them just as the plagues did not fall on Israel in Egypt - but after the plagues fell - Israel walked out of Egypt. It is the same sequence that we see in Matt 24 - after the great tribulation Christ comes to rapture the church.

However the church has ALREADY gone through over a THOUSAND years of persecution - too late to claim that the church will not be severely persecuted. In fact it is still going on.

2. No such thing as "seven years of tribulation"

3. 2Thess 2:7 does not say "the church will be taken out of the way".

See - there is not as much separating our views as you thought! ("High Bounce" -- I just now made that one up)

in Christ,

Bob

Oh boy.......pre-trib vs mis-trib vs post-trib is not my passion. It would take too much of my sparse free time to get into it so I will have to let it pass. I am too busy with the things pertaining to the soul and eternal security when I find the time. But just for the record, I do disagree. :wavey:

I REALLY like the "High Bounce" label though! :laugh:

God Bless! :thumbs:
 
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