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The Christ of arminianism

BobRyan

BobRyan

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I Am Blessed 16 said:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

I don't see here where it mentions the 'elect'.
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Excellent point!

In Christ,

Bob
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

(Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

In Christ,

Bob
 
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Rippon

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Hmm ,what about : a decree went out that the whole world should be taxed

the whole world lies in the power of the evil one

the whole world went out after John the Baptist
 
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beloved57

Member
BobRyan said:
God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

(Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

In Christ,

Bob
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Too bad you don't understand not one of those verses :tonofbricks:
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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Rippon said:
Hmm ,what about : a decree went out that the whole world should be taxed

the whole world lies in the power of the evil one

the whole world went out after John the Baptist
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The context for "Rome" is Rome.

The Context for GOD when it comes to "THE WORLD" is seen clearly in John 1 "ALL THINGS were made by Him" -- "The WORLD was made by Him"... "HE is the Light of the WORLD" ... "Coming into the WORLD He enlightens EVERY man"

The redefining and "downsizing efforts" of Calvinism just don't work when it comes to God.

In Christ,

Bob
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

(Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

In Christ,
 
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beloved57

Member
BobRyan said:
God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

(Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

In Christ,
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All those references are speaking about the elect...:sleeping_2:
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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B57 is simply telling you how "he needs to spin the texts" -- he does not DO the exegesis - he simply ADMITS to his need for eisegesis.

And I believe him.

In Christ,

Bob
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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John P said
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The Lord has mercy on who He wants and to Hell with the rest for His glory and our deeper reverence.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1586/19.html#000275
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The inner quotes contain “The scenario”. Everything else is my commentary. (Of course the entire thing is my own test scenario for Calvinism)

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5 and 4 pt Calvinist Future Scenario:

“Showing” the requirement of 4 and 5 point Calvinism to have the “luxury” of a cold disregard for the non-elect “When the non-Elect are finally Known”. (In the perfect Calvinist Utopian future). This scenario simply removes that “luxury” (for a moment) in order to emphasize the point 4-5 Pt Calvinism makes about God Himself – vs the view that “God so Loved the World that He Gave…Really” (something that both Arminians and 3-pt Calvinists seem to Agree on).
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When the 4 OR 5-point-Calvinist finds himself in heaven enjoying the perfect love, unity and selfless concern for others that is not possible here on this sinful earth - and then peeking over the ramparts of heaven - observes his OWN precious sweet daughter who passed the age of accountability as the MANY of Matt 7 -- now writhing in the agony of eternal roasting in hell - he may well run to his sovereign lord with the cry
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"Oh My Lord, my great God and Savior! Couldn't you have done Something for my precious child??"

And of course the answer will come back that Calvinism so loves to hear – "Why of course I COULD - IF I had Cared to"!

"Hallelujah!" cries out the Calvinist - that IS the Gospel I was proclaiming!!

Ahh that blissful eternity with calvinism's God that unfairly saved you but not your precious daughter - and you will be praising through all eternity that YOU were spared though she was not. (For it IS all about the saved/electin the end)

We see Calvinists blessing the fact that He chose You – AND that it was "unfair" as you say - but it was graciously unfair IN YOUR favor - just not your precious daughter's.

So just enjoy! Enjoy! Unjust Mercy - oh the Calvinist bliss.
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<You see the problem when the Calvinist model is not “allowed the luxury" of disregarding the fate of the lost - as in the case above?>

Here we see Calvinism’s view of God who (arbitrarily from the POV of human eyes) selects out the FEW of Matt 7 and loves THEM alone - and then represents that to Calvinists as "So Loving the World". Oh the pure joy that thought must cause the Calvinist mind.




Calvinist future scenario complete!


Notice the “focus” in that perfect Calvinist utopian future - is always on “you” the one that is arbitrarily selected and then justifying the callous disregard of your precious child under the guise of “Well God does not HAVE to care about ANYONE just be glad YOU made it”.
Fascinating!

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JohnP
I see no reason to rejoice over the death of anyone but I glory to God it wasn't me.
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1576/15.html#000217
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beloved57

Member
BobRyan said:
B57 is simply telling you how "he needs to spin the texts" -- he does not DO the exegesis - he simply ADMITS to his need for eisegesis.

And I believe him.

In Christ,

Bob
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Believe this , if you are not one of Gods elect, you will perish in your sins. At this point sir there is no evidence that you are one of Gods elect, the way you blaspheme...
 
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DHK

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beloved57 said:
Believe this , if you are not one of Gods elect, you will perish in your sins. At this point sir there is no evidence that you are one of Gods elect, the way you blaspheme...
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This statement in itself is blasphemous.
What gives you the right to make such statements?
Are you the judge of the heart.

Your posts have been very arrogant.
 
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Gerhard Ebersoehn

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BobRyan said:
God is not willing for ANY to perish but for ALL to come to repentance" 2Peter 3.

God is "Convicting the WORLD of sin and righteousness and jugment" John 16.

And God is "Drawing ALL MANKIND to Himself" John 12:32.

So many references to the "God that so love the WORLD..." yes "really".

So many references to the God that "Sent His son to be the Savior of the WORLD" 1John 4:10

So many references to the God that "Sent his son to be the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins AND not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1John 2:2 to convince the objective Calvinist - that Calvinism is dead wrong.

(Not 3 point Calvinism of course - for they would agree with all of the above - verbatim)

In Christ,
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GE:

Give it a thought how I, just I, got saved. Forget the masses. Maybe you'll realise it was because God in His love chose me. Now if nothing I have ever done could not prevent God or hinder Him in His condescending love towards unworthy ME, how could anything I could ever do in future, prevent or hinder Him in this overpowering, overruling, conquering, almighty powerful love and choice of His? You think God couls fail? Then just maybe again, you haven't seen nothing yet of God's saving grace!
 
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