The Culture War is Over and We Lost

[J.D.]

There are only two things I watch on TV on a regular basis that help me escape a little while from the burdens of everyday life - Jeopardy, and Wheel of Fortune.

Tonight I was (mis)treated to the sight of an openly gay man and his "fiance" flaunt their perversion on Wheel of Fortune. Hello kids, we're here, we're queer, and we're in your face. And everybody just stands around and acts like we're normal so we must be normal, right?

The culture war is over and we lost. I wouldn't even be surprised if BB admin takes down this thread due to the possibility of getting sued by homosexual lawyers. We live in a police state where any public opposition to indecency can get you sued or even arrested.

Am I overstating the case or is it time to start looking for new solutions since whatever we are doing now isn't working?

Go ahead, cheer me up if you can. Show me why I am just a pessimist and there really is a silver lining to every cloud.

 

[Jim1999]

Is New Jersey still the famous harbour for the Mafia?

I was just wondering.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[J.D.]

Is New Jersey still the famous harbour for the Mafia?

I was just wondering.

Cheers,

Jim

Yes. But please don't derail the topic.

 

[OldRegular]

JD

Sadly I believe you are correct. It is my belief, though I have no evidence, that the AIDS epidemic brought a lot of sympathy to the queer community and enabled them to come out of the closet and proselytize. It didn't end there since they now insist that their perverted lifestyle is normal and it is being accepted. To believe otherwise borders on a hate crime.

 

[Palatka51]

There are only two things I watch on TV on a regular basis that help me escape a little while from the burdens of everyday life - Jeopardy, and Wheel of Fortune.

Tonight I was (mis)treated to the sight of an openly gay man and his "fiance" flaunt their perversion on Wheel of Fortune. Hello kids, we're here, we're queer, and we're in your face. And everybody just stands around and acts like we're normal so we must be normal, right?

The culture war is over and we lost. I wouldn't even be surprised if BB admin takes down this thread due to the possibility of getting sued by homosexual lawyers. We live in a police state where any public opposition to indecency can get you sued or even arrested.

Am I overstating the case or is it time to start looking for new solutions since whatever we are doing now isn't working?

Go ahead, cheer me up if you can. Show me why I am just a pessimist and there really is a silver lining to every cloud.

We have indeed lost but God has not. He is going to intervene with judgment and it will begin at His house. When His house is cleaned up and it is once again in a state of repentance for having been complicit with the world.

God will be victorious and that is enough for me to have cheer. :godisgood:

And regardless of how much Jim1999 tries to offer it I'll take Cheer from God in any season over his. raying:

 

[drfuss]

drfuss: I agree that if there really was a cultural war, we lost. However, my question is "Should we have been fighting a cultural war?

Jesus did not try to change people by making and promoting good moral laws. The Pharisees did that and went astray from God.

Jesus ' method was to reach people on an individual basis. Perhaps God has allowed the current national situation to prompt us to do the same.

 

[J.D.]

drfuss: I agree that if there really was a cultural war, we lost. However, my question is "Should we have been fighting a cultural war?

Jesus did not try to change people by making and promoting good moral laws. The Pharisees did that and went astray from God.

Jesus ' method was to reach people on an individual basis. Perhaps God has allowed the current national situation to prompt us to do the same.

I suppose that when you are in jail for standing up for what you believe, then you will know that you were in a culture war. A spiritual war, yes, but manifested in culture.

 

[Amy.G]

I am afraid I have to agree with all so far. Except Jim. I'm not sure where you're coming from on this one Jim.

I don't know what else to do to fight it. We taught our son that hom*se*uality was wrong. All those who know us know how we stand on it. We vote against it when possible. We are taught the same at church, so we worship with like minded people. We pray and try to live godly lives.

And yet the g*y community continues to prevail. It is sickening.

 

[CoJoJax]

I've got a 2-year-old daughter .. and oh boy .. let me tell you .. I can't wait till she sees one of these openly gay couples and starts asking questions. That'll be fun.

Oh yeah .. and when she starts hanging around teachers and other kid's parents that will defend those people's lifestyles to no end.

Can't wait to explain that too!

Sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I'll start writing some scripts now.

C.J.

 

[Amy.G]

I've got a 2-year-old daughter .. and oh boy .. let me tell you .. I can't wait till she sees one of these openly gay couples and starts asking questions. That'll be fun.

Oh yeah .. and when she starts hanging around teachers and other kid's parents that will defend those people's lifestyles to no end.

Can't wait to explain that too!

Sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I'll start writing some scripts now.

C.J.

Oh boy. You've got your work cut out for you. I don't envy you. My son is 23 and even though there was a gay agenda even when he was your daughter's age, it was NOTHING like it is now. I wish they had stayed in the closet.

God bless you as you parent.

 

[J.D.]

and when she starts hanging around teachers and other kid's parents that will defend those people's lifestyles to no end.

I've said for years that this is why we are losing the fight. When I was raising my daughter, I always felt that I had to take on the ideas being planted in her head by people that should have been on my side, like teachers, "friends", and relatives. When they contradict what you are teaching, it's hard. My daughter is 31 now and by the Grace of God she has turned out pretty good after all, but it was a rough ride sometimes getting there.

 

[Jim1999]

What is getting to me is the attitudes of fundamental Christians more than the fact that gays exist.

Especially in the USA, you claim civil rights for all its citizens. You scream if any of us choose social responsibility in our own countries, you scream at the rights of citizens to be democrats or whatever, and still stand on your right as a citizen to do this or do that. How Hypocritical can you get?

It is one thing to preach God's truth, it is quite another to demand then deny civil rights to ALL Americans.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[J.D.]

What is getting to me is the attitudes of fundamental Christians more than the fact that gays exist.

Especially in the USA, you claim civil rights for all its citizens. You scream if any of us choose social responsibility in our own countries, you scream at the rights of citizens to be democrats or whatever, and still stand on your right as a citizen to do this or do that. How Hypocritical can you get?

It is one thing to preach God's truth, it is quite another to demand then deny civil rights to ALL Americans.

Cheers,

Jim

I think you're missing a critical dividing line. This isn't about civil rights. See, the guy said "this is my FIANCE". Marraige is a public institution. It has nothing to do with individual rights or "right to privacy" if such a thing actually exists (it's illegal to committ murder in private).

This is FLAUNTING sin. On a human level, it's pretending someone isn't sick when they obviously are. There's nothing right about it.

 

[Marcia]

What is getting to me is the attitudes of fundamental Christians more than the fact that gays exist.

Especially in the USA, you claim civil rights for all its citizens. You scream if any of us choose social responsibility in our own countries, you scream at the rights of citizens to be democrats or whatever, and still stand on your right as a citizen to do this or do that. How Hypocritical can you get?

It is one thing to preach God's truth, it is quite another to demand then deny civil rights to ALL Americans.

Cheers,

Jim

I'm not a Fundamentalist, but the issue here is not civil rights but the acceptance of a same sex lifestyle as normal, and not just acceptance, but teaching that it is good in the schools.

 

[Jim1999]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Marcia]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

But Jim, a gay lifestyle being taught in schools and promoted in the culture as a correct or moral lifestyle is different from letting people be atheists. This is not about anyone preventing people from being gay! Good grief, there is hardly any restraint on that anywhere that I know of!

This is an immoral lifestyle that Christians are being told they should accept as moral. Christians who object to this on moral or religious grounds are called "homophobes," which is ridiculous. Yet this term is used all the time for any Christian who objects. Where is my civil right to object to a behavior God says is immoral and an abomination?

I used to do astrological charts for lesbian witches, and even picked handfasting dates for a few of them, and I had gay friends and gay clients. I am hardly a homophobe.

 

[J.D.]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

It seems to me that "your point" is that I hate gays. So YOU missed my point.

For one thing, if you're going to talk about individual rights under the Constitution of the United States, or what's left of it, then you need to understand the difference between Federal Law and state/local law. The states and local government has the right under the constitution to prohibit certain behaviors that society deems harmful. One of these prohibition is nudity laws. I know of no place in America where a women can just walk down the street bare-chested without violating the law. And there used to be laws against sodomy but thanks to Abraham Lincoln's destruction of the original agreement between the states, the liberally-controlled federal government has unconstitutionally interfered with local communities' once-constitutional right to express their moral and ethical norms in the form of laws that gave order and stability to a decent society.

If anyone in this country is hypotrical, it is the liberals who out of one side of their mouth talk about the constitution as "some old papers written by dead men" and out the other side of their mouth they claim to love the constitution when they proclaim the dilluded mantra of "separation of chruch and state" (which does not exist in the constitution anyway).

Okay, I'm taking deep breaths, relaxing....

 

[J.D.]

But Jim, a gay lifestyle being taught in schools and promoted in the culture as a correct or moral lifestyle is different from letting people be atheists. This is not about anyone preventing people from being gay! Good grief, there is hardly any restraint on that anywhere that I know of!

This is an immoral lifestyle that Christians are being told they should accept as moral. Christians who object to this on moral or religious grounds are called "homophobes," which is ridiculous. Yet this term is used all the time for any Christian who objects. Where is my civil right to object to a behavior God says is immoral and an abomination?

I used to do astrological charts for lesbian witches, and even picked handfasting dates for a few of them, and I had gay friends and gay clients. I am hardly a homophobe.

"handfasting"?? What is...okay, nevermind, I probably don't want to know what that means.!!

 

[Palatka51]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

Then you fought for the freedom for me to say that you are wrong! If you have fought for, with blood, the freedom for these to continue in their sin then my cheerful friend, that fight is sending them gaily into eternal Hell. I firmly believe that these people are worth reaching for Christ and in order to do that they must be told that their souls are in danger. It seems to me that you are now fighting not for true freedom but to silence that message.

 

[BigBossman]

You totally miss my point. Who will be next, the atheist? Or perhaps the Jehovah's Witness? They are equally wrong. These people have the right to be gay as you have the right to be Christian.

I don't like girls wearing rings in their ears, noses, eyes or elsewhere, but they have a right to do it. People own guns and I don't like that, but they have a right to own a gun. Is there a law of the land that says people can't be gay?

We have a law that gives them that right. Shucks, we even have a law that allows women to walk down the street with a naked chest as do men all the time. I may not like it, but it is a law. They have a right to do that by law. Thank God only a few put a test to that law, but it is there.

You have laws. When they break the law, they get arrested. Constant banterng about what they are will not change that law, and especially whilst preaching to the converted on every turn of what is supposed to be a Christian Board.

That is my point. When I fought for freedom, I didn't draw the line and say "only for true Christians". I fought for freedom.

Cheers,

Jim

What it boils down to is making a personal decision. Does one have the right to be a homosexual? Yes. What one needs to understand is, there are consequences to your choices. Homosexuality is moraly wrong & is what I consider to be psychological disorder. I have heard of homosexual men turning their lives around & living straight. Which only goes to show that it is indeed a psychological problem. To say that people are born homosexuals is to say that God makes mistakes.

Another thing I have noticed is society has begun to regard homosexuals as a minority (as if they were black, white, or hispanic). That is wrong. To regard them as a minority would mean that I have accepted that lifestyle.

As I stated earlier, there are consequences involved. If I had a son or daughter that revealed that they are homosexual, I as a parent would feel like such a failure. I would tell them that I love them, but I could not support them. I also would not attend any gay wedding. My being there would say that I support their union. I also believe that homosexual couples should not be allowed to adopt children, homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in our military, & they should not be allowed to marry.

I wouldn't have a problem with (using tax payer money) having a program that pays for counseling for those that can't afford it. I have heard of people who have turned their life around, but they have to want it.

So yes, people have the right to do what they want even if they are a homosexual, but they need to be prepared to accept the consequences.