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The dirty "Z" word

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by George Antonios, Nov 25, 2023.

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  1. George Antonios

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    Why I, as an Arab Christian, still err on the side of the modern state of Israel

    1) Controversial

    A) Objection: those are not true Jews

    2) Supernatural
    a) In preservation
    b) In wealth:
    c) In influence:
    d) In might

    B) Objection: Israel is controlled by Satanists

    3) Covenantal

    C) Objection: Israel has sinned, broken the covenant, and is no longer God’s people, nor is the land theirs













     
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    Although there are Christian reasons to side with Israel, there are also moral reasons.

    Christian reasons include God's righteousness. Regardless of what Israel does, or what state modern Israel is in, God created Israel for His purposes.

    There are practical observations that Christians can discern. The most obvious is that Israel as a people even exists today. They were a people without a nation for two thousand years, yet as a people they remained. Then there is antisemitism, the hatred for a people, throughout history by various nations.

    Secular reasons, however, should prevail in today's debates of modern Israel.

    Israel has been the only reliable partnership the US has in the region. Iran is dedicated to the extermination of Jews, but also in the defeat of the US.

    In the current conflict Israel is fighting against a terroristic government who targeted civilians to include children. Hamas uses its citizens not only as human shields but also as sacrificial pawns for political gain.


    So I get what you mean by Israel as a nation not being the Church. But at the same time there seems to be a continued purpose for Israel in God's plan.

    Insofar as race and nationality there are not hyphenated Christians. We are a chosen race as Christian. We no longer identify with the flesh.
     
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    Oddly enough, I found a used book of Chiam Potok's yesterday called "In the Beginning" that reminded me of this thread.

    Near the end of his classic book, "The Chosen", he tells of a heated disagreement between leaders of two Jewish sects (one was Orthodox and the other Hasidic) about this very issue. A post-script discussion describes it as such...

    The conflicting views of the two fathers culminate in their disagreement about Zionism.
    At one point Professor Malter shares his pro-Zionist views with his son, Reuven.
    When Reuven later shares these views with Reb Saunders, the rebbe explodes.​

    A Zwischenmensch ("between person") In The Cultures. by Daniel Walden, University of Pennsylvania December 15, 2002
    Potok, Chaim. The Chosen (p. 291). Simon & Schuster. Kindle Edition.​

    Even the Jews have an issue here.

    Rob
     
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    Will Ezekiel 36 actually take place?

    What about Ezekiel 37:15-28 is that already fulfilled or still future.

    V 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

    Is that the nation we call Israel today?
     
    #4 percho, Dec 2, 2023
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