Featured "The election hath obtained it"; and "the rest are blinded", #Ro 11:7

1 Timothy 2:6 gave Himself a ransom for all

1 Timothy 2:3-4 God...desires all men to be saved

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus

Romans 10:9-10 confess...believe...you will be saved
Romans 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 5:6, Christ died for the ungodly
Romans 5:8 while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us

1 Timothy 2:6 [Christ] ...gave Himself as a ransom for all
Romans 5:10 reconciled to God through the death of His Son,... we shall be saved by His life

John 1:12 ...who received him, ...believed in his name, ...become children of God,

John 3:18 ...who believe in him are not condemned; ...do not believe are condemned

1 Timothy 4:10 ...we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Acts of the Apostles 16:30 ...what must I do to be saved?
Acts of the Apostles 16:31 ...Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,

Alan from what I have seen in the bible it seems that it would not agree with the view being put forward in your post.

 

I only hope that when these Calvinist/Arminian debates get started we keep in mind that a Calvinist preacher is allowed to preach the word and call for decisions. I just finished listening to Martyn Lloyd Jones preaching on Hebrews chapter 6. (If you go to the website and plug in "Hebrews" into the search it's the first sermon that pops up.) He clearly calls on people to heed the warnings of scripture and repent before it's too late. He is clearly appealing to people to choose and using the logic that they are "nigh" unto destruction but not there yet so now is the time for them to change. And he is assuming that they have a real choice in the matter. If you lean Arminian you need to realize this and understand that Calvinism does not always lead to the devilish conclusions you think it does. If you are a Calvinist and you bristle at a sermon like the above you may need to reexamine the application of the principles.

 

As I said hear the gospel believe the gospel and be saved by God because of your trust in the living God Christ Jesus. The bible is clear that one has to believe before one is saved. I agree that some people will hear the gospel message more than once before they turn in faith to God.

 

Alan you would do ok if you could get past your calvinism and just stick with what the bible says. Your idea that God has to give one faith so they can believe is just a calvinist construct. You just do not seem to get the part of the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. Then when one hears the gospel they can believe it or reject it. That is why they are held responsible for their choice. The bible shows this as you pointed out in Eph 1:13 and also in Rom 10:9-10. So it is not slipping "because of your trust", in there, but rather just being biblical.

 

Do you think God doesn't show up until you've done all the work,?

 

How do you get that from what I wrote.

 

I will highlight what you said.
You wrote:
As I said hear the gospel believe the gospel and be saved by God because of your trust in the living God Christ Jesus. The bible is clear that one has to believe before one is saved. I agree that some people will hear the gospel message more than once before they turn in faith to God.

I asked:
Do you think God doesn't show up until you've done all the work?

Now that I have shown you how I read your words, please answer my question.

 

Why do you just pick and choose the words that you want to read? Do you study the bible the same way? Read what you like and discard what you do not like.

 

How about answering the question.

Do you think God doesn't show up until you've done all the work?

 

How about reading what I wrote and not do what you say you did, just read what you like. God has provided the means for man to know Him but you do not seem to trust what the bible says. I have pointed out to you more than once how God draws people but you just brush it of as it does not line up with your calvinist theology. You need to start trusting the bible.

 

I read what you wrote. I highlighted what you wrote without changing a word. I am still waiting for you to answer the question. You refuse to answer it. I showed you why I asked the question. You still refuse to answer the question. Odd that you refuse to answer.
Here's the question:
Do you think God doesn't show up until you've done all the work?

 

I answered your question but you are not willing to accept that answer. But here it is again.
God has provided the means for man to know Him but you do not seem to trust what the bible says. I have pointed out to you more than once how God draws people but you just brush it of as it does not line up with your calvinist theology. You need to start trusting the bible.

 

I removed all the unimportant words you added and I take the above as your answer to this question:
Do you think God doesn't show up until you've done all the work?

From your answer I take it that you believe God shows up before a person believes. According to you, "God draws people." We agree.

Yet, the Bible declares that God does more than draw. I provided Bible passages for you so you can't fall upon your crutch.
*Matthew 25:34*
Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
*Hebrews 9:15-17*
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.
*1 Peter 1:3-5*
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

You also said "God provided the means for man to know Him."

I agree.

We know God when we hear God's voice. Yet, not all respond. Jesus tells us why.
*John 10:25-30*
Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

 

Austin why is it that you keep going on about context and then you ignore it. All you needed to do was include three verses and then you would not have misused these verses. John 10:22-24

Joh 10:22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.
Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon's porch.
Joh 10:24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."

Main takeaways from these verses He was in the temple and He was questioned by Jews. Who had seen and ignored the signs that Christ had done? Had some of the Jews believed in Him,YES but most had not. Those that believed Him Christ called His sheep. The same can be said of the gentiles, those that hear His voice and respond will be saved. We become His sheep when we trust in Him not before.

 

Jesus responded and told them he had not kept them in doubt. No, they had heard and didn't believe. The reason was because they were not God's sheep.
Had God not chosen you, you also would not have believed. But, God chose you and you heard His voice and believed.
Since you agree with me, that God must first draw, then you live in contradiction with yourself.
In one hand God must draw. In the other hand you think you must believe on your own before God can save you.
Perhaps you simply cannot see your contradiction. However, others will see and understand.

 

Austin you seem to have this silly idea that one is saved before they even hear the gospel, that is calvinism. What does the bible say Ephesians 1:13. Hear, believe and be saved. That is not a contradiction that is biblical. Your idea that one is saved before they even hear the gospel is just a false gospel. You live with a contradiction which has been pointed out to a number of times but you continue to trust your calvinism rather than the bible.