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The End of the Nation-State Age?

Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by KenH, Aug 16, 2023.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    An interesting commentary on the idea that the information age is hastening the end of the nation-state age.

     
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    Are those seeking power willing to say anything and do anything to obtain ans sustain power. Nation-states require that other nation-states respect their borders. OTOH, those seeking power will violate borders, then blame the violated nation-state.
    Recall Germany, recall North Korea, recall North Viet Nam, recall Russia? Whose next, as the USA is already being invaded. Taiwan?
     
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    So, what do you think about the points that Kate made?
     
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    What points were those?
     
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    Watch the video. It is very interesting and thought provoking. It is only 17 minutes long, but it is so interesting that I felt like it was about 5 minutes.
     
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    So you do not know what points were made. Nuff said, as I made my points.

    Are those seeking power willing to say anything and do anything to obtain ans sustain power. Nation-states require that other nation-states respect their borders. OTOH, those seeking power will violate borders, then blame the violated nation-state.
    Recall Germany, recall North Korea, recall North Viet Nam, recall Russia? Whose next, as the USA is already being invaded. Taiwan?
     
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    Where do we draw the line between the rights of an individual, and the rights of the majority? If individuals have no borders, no inalienable rights, neither can nation-states. Our choice is clear, freedom or slavery.
     
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    I am quite aware of the points that Kate made. You are a grown man, right? I am not going to spoon feed you like you are a 3-year-old.
     
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    Your post is pure disparagement, demonstrating you have no idea how to provide the main points of the video. Nuff said.

    Are those seeking power willing to say anything and do anything to obtain ans sustain power. Nation-states require that other nation-states respect their borders. OTOH, those seeking power will violate borders, then blame the violated nation-state.
    Recall Germany, recall North Korea, recall North Viet Nam, recall Russia? Whose next, as the USA is already being invaded. Taiwan?

    Where do we draw the line between the rights of an individual, and the rights of the majority? If individuals have no borders, no inalienable rights, neither can nation-states. Our choice is clear, freedom or slavery.
     
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    Here ya go, I will summarize as I understand it(anyone truly interested in discussing this would do well to hear it in Kate's own words):

    1) The printing press sparked the Renaissance.
    2) Reading and knowledge exploded.
    3) Then came the Enlightenment.
    4) Major changes in society have been taking place in approximately 500 year cycles since the birth of Christ.
    5) Rome fell, then came the Dark Ages, then came Feudalism, then came the Renaissance and the birth of the nation-state, and now we have the arrival of the Information Age.
    6) The nation-state is now beginning to resemble the end of the Roman Empire - decay, debasement of currency.
    7) Now we may be on the verge of a new Renaissance.
    8) The internet is like the printing press on steroids - anyone can share a video or a tweet or a post or an email.
    9) The hypercentralization is being opposed by the decentralization of the Information Age.
    10) To quote from the video: "When the technologies that are shaping the new millennium are considered, it is far more likely that we will see not one world government, but micro governments, or even conditions approaching anarchy."' (that's a quote from The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age by James Dale Davidson & Lord William Rees-Mogg).
    11) Quoting Kate Wand: "So perhaps the people pushing for CBDCs and the digital Gulag will achieve their goals for a certain time. But I don't think that it's a sustainable thing and I don't think that they're going to be successful at it. And that's because the technology that we have invented and that we are continuing to invent and create and nourish and feed is becoming or will become a stronger opponent than that old tired centralization model."
     
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    Remember the USA. We are not lily white in any way to the accusations you make towards others
     
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    Yet another taint so post, with no specifics.

    Are those seeking power willing to say anything and do anything to obtain ans sustain power. Nation-states require that other nation-states respect their borders. OTOH, those seeking power will violate borders, then blame the violated nation-state.
    Recall Germany, recall North Korea, recall North Viet Nam, recall Russia? Whose next, as the USA is already being invaded. Taiwan?

    These actions are not "accusations" they are facts.
     
    #12 Van, Aug 17, 2023
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    I find the parable of the dragnet helpful for this topic. Here's what Jesus said in Matthew 13:47-50.

    “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind. When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

    God is drawing this age to an end and as the dragnet gets pulled closer to shore the fish will get pulled ever closer together in the net. Both the good fish (redeemed by grace Christians) and the bad fish (unredeemed and unreconciled non-Christians) are getting squeezed closer and closer together. Therefore, the nations will be drawn in tighter as well since the net is drawing all humans to the end of the age. As I told a brother, the more you get slapped around by the bad fish, the more you should rejoice because that means God's Kingdom is drawing us closer to the end of the age.
     
    #13 taisto, Aug 17, 2023
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