The Evolutionist Heresy

Many problems with this post but the one that jumps out at me is homosexual reproduction. What is that?

 

The necessary transition between asexual and heterosexual reproduction, if the evolutionist heresy be true.

Mark Osgatharp </font>[/QUOTE]necessary? NECESSARY? Science is not about establishing values. But in any case, evolutionists suggest more species have gone extinct than have survived. There is no "evolution theory based" command to survive. There is only the observation that some DO survive.

Personally, speaking as a fully rounded human being and not merely a "scientist", I greatly favor the survival of the human race. Perhaps my biological heritage helps me feel that way instinctively. It is certainly consistent with the morality I believe in as part of my Baptist Faith. Homosexuality does not appear to me to play a part in the survival of the human race.

 

There may be valid ways to interpret male dominance before the Fall, but this is not one of them. The word translated "a helper" or "a help" in Genesis 2:18,20 occurs frequently in the Bible, and in almost all cases the helper is God or sent by God. Do you really want to suggest that this means God is subject to man?

"The name of the one was Gershom (for he said, 'I have been a sojourner in a foreign land'), and the name of the other, Eliezer (for he said, 'The God of my father was my help, and delivered me from the sword of Pharaoh')." (Exodus 18:3-4, ESV)

"And this he said of Judah: 'Hear, O LORD, the voice of Judah, and bring him in to his people. With your hands contend for him, and be a help against his adversaries.' " (Deuteronomy 33:7)

"There is none like God, O Jeshurun, who rides through the heavens to your help, through the skies in his majesty." (Deuteronomy 33:26)

"Happy are you, O Israel! Who is like you, a people saved by the LORD, the shield of your help, and the sword of your triumph! Your enemies shall come fawning to you, and you shall tread upon their backs." (Deuteronomy 33:29)

"May the LORD answer you in the day of trouble! May the name of the God of Jacob protect you! May he send you help from the sanctuary and give you support from Zion!" (Psalm 20:1-2)

"Our soul waits for the LORD; he is our help and our shield." (Psalm 33:20)

"But I am poor and needy; hasten to me, O God! You are my help and my deliverer; O LORD, do not delay!" (Psalm 70:5)

"For our shield belongs to the LORD, our king to the Holy One of Israel. Of old you spoke in a vision to your godly one, and said: 'I have granted help to one who is mighty; I have exalted one chosen from the people.' " (Psalm 89:18-19)

"O Israel, trust in the LORD! He is their help and their shield. O house of Aaron, trust in the LORD! He is their help and their shield. You who fear the LORD, trust in the LORD! He is their help and their shield." (Psalm 115:9-11)

"I lift up my eyes to the hills. From where does my help come? My help comes from the LORD, who made heaven and earth." (Psalm 121:1-2)

"Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth." (Psalm 124:8)

"Blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the LORD his God, who made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, who keeps faith forever; who executes justice for the oppressed, who gives food to the hungry." (Psalm 146:5-7)

"He destroys you, O Israel, for you are against me, against your helper." (Hosea 13:9)

The only verses where it doesn't refer to God, aside from Genesis 2 where it refers to Eve, are Isaiah 30:5, Ezekiel 12:14 and Daniel 11:34.

 

Stone me now!

Pretty much all of these could be answered by saying, "That's your opinion," but a few things leaped out at me.

1. Evolution says the world is millions or billions of years old. The Bible says the world is a little over 6,000 years old and that the creation took place in six days.

That's definitely billions, not millions.

3. Evolution says that all reproduction was originally asexual, and that homosexual and then heterosexual reproduction evolved out of asexual. The Bible says that animal and human reproduction were, from the beginning, heterosexual.

There is no such thing as homosexual reproduction. Human reproduction has always been sexual.

8. Evolution implies that there are "races" of people and that some of these "races" are inferior/superior to others. The Bible teaches that all men were created by God of one blood, that God is no respecter of persons, and that any differences in moral qualities among men is due to cultural and spiritual conditioning and not to any inate characteristic.

Not true.

 

The necessary transition between asexual and heterosexual reproduction, if the evolutionist heresy be true.

Mark Osgatharp </font>[/QUOTE]How does homosexual reproduction work? What evidence is there of homosexual reproduction ever being a reproductive option for any species?

There are some species that use sexual reproduction but have hermaphroditic properties when one sex is in short supply.

By homosexual reproduction, are you referring to protists and fungus which sexually reproduce but either party could be the "mother" or "father"?

[ November 15, 2005, 09:25 AM: Message edited by: Gold Dragon ]

 

Good, we all agree with you.

I've never heard anyone assert this except you.

Really?

Nope. Nobody has attempted to do this because it is not involved in evolution and nobody besides you and whoever you got this information from has ever claimed it is.

 

No, you are changing your tune. You've switched from an argument based on the word "help" to an argument based on the creation order. As I said in my first post, "There may be valid ways to interpret male dominance before the Fall, but this [your 'helper' comments] is not one of them."

I have no disagreement with your new example from the creation order. My disagreement was with your faulty logic based on the word "help".

 

Mark.
Good opening comments for which I in spirit am in full agreement. Mostly with this comment:

"Anyone who loves the Bible must hate evolution in all it's forms. Every Baptist church in this country should make every effort to purge all evolutionists from their midst, for whenever this heresy is tolerated agnosticism, infidelity, and immorality will quickly ensue."

Not to mention that evolution is in no way compatible with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul wrote that by one man sin entered the world. And by Christ, one Man, we can therefore all be saved from our sins. This federal head precedent on both counts is necessary for the Gospel be in effect.

I also agree that all evolutionists, especially theistic evolutionists, should be put out of all Christians churches, not just Baptist, unless they repent, for all of the reasons that you gave and more.

Paul was not joking when he wrote Acts 20:28-31. And this applies to the heresy of evolution more than any in the history of Christianity other than the liberal heresies of denying the deity of Christ and adding works to the Gospel. I would argue that the theory of evolution has done more to make shipwreck the faith among believers and those interested in becoming believers in the 20th century, than any other heresy.

JWI wrote this on another evolution thread:

"All I see is the evolutionists throwing doubt on one scripture after another.

And this is evident today. There is a local show in my area where a pastor goes to college campuses and speaks to students. The students constantly bring evolution up in an attempt to prove the Bible wrong. The very show this week the pastor pulled out a wristwatch to show that design cannot come about through random chance.

But even with this simple example, the students believed evolution. And all thought the Bible was a myth.

The evolutionists do not want freedom of thought. They start their work early. My 3 year old son has many books on dinosaurs. They are full of references to evolution, saying the earth is millions of years old, and explaining how some dinosaurs evolved into birds, etc.....

And I have to always explain that this is not true. That God created the animals as they are and that the earth is not old."

And all it takes is someone who is a theistic evolutionist to teach Sunday school, or get on the deacon board and get this heresy started up in their local church. Something similar (Calvinism) to this happen in my former Baptist church, and it wrecked a once great soul winning church. The church split three times, and is now a dead church.

I am convinced that all who teach this theory will be fully ashamed at either the Judgement Seat of Christ, or the Great White Throne Judgement. And sadly I suspect the latter. I know that this will not be popular among those here that chose to be popular with the world and are proponents of this heresy. But it's true.

[ November 15, 2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: JackRUS ]

 

I am also wondering how "Mother Nature" figured out how to get them to be spread out in every species at close to 50-50%?

 

Since most sexually reproducing life stages are diploid and sex is determined by either having a matching pair of chromosomes or a mismatched pair, what's the difficulty?

 

Mark.
You are being sent in a rabbit hole which this time is called "help". Don't fall for it.

Now then, the subject was, ahem, evolution = heresy I believe.

 

Being a helper is not necessarily a submissive role. The Lord is our helper. That does not make him subservient to us. If you want to argue from the way Adam was formed first, then Eve, that's a totally different issue, and one used by Paul. Paul did not appeal to the way the woman was created as a "helper".

But, I agree that this is a rabbit trail. The original post contained about ten possible rabbit trails to pursue.