“On the First Day of the week … the day far spent toward evening … two of them told Jesus … besides today (having been) the third day since they had delivered Him to be crucified … certain women who deep(est) morning were at the tomb, astonished us and told us they had seen angels who told them that He was alive.”
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The First Day of the week
- Thread starter Gerhard Ebersoehn
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"Today the third day since they crucified Him" was the day after "the third day Christ rose from the dead".
After "today the third day since they crucified Him certain women who deep(est) morning were at the tomb, astonished us and told us they had seen angels who told them that he was alive”, “he, RISEN, early on the First Day APPEARED to Mary Magdalene first.”
After "today the third day since they crucified Him certain women who deep(est) morning were at the tomb, astonished us and told us they had seen angels who told them that he was alive”, “he, RISEN, early on the First Day APPEARED to Mary Magdalene first.”
I shall try again.
Please tell me what you from just reading Luke 24 in context, from just the content. make out …
---It was the First Day of the week. Here was Jesus late afternoon that day, walking with two men on their way to Emmaus, and they explained to Jesus how certain women of their company who were at the grave very early that morning had told them that they had seen angels who said that Jesus was alive and not there anymore.
Now tell me what you make out of what the two men told Jesus, That while they believed Jesus was the promised Messiah, the last they had seen of Him, was when Pilate delivered Him over to the Jews to be crucified! To cap it all these women upset us with their story that they had seen angels who told them He was alive?! How can anyone believe their story?!
Tell me what you make out of all this?
Have I rendered the context and the content of Luke 24 truthfully?
Did I make a mistake somehow?
Have I told a lie or just a halve truth?
Sure there are other and more detail; but have I sketched a clear outline with true facts?
Have I or have I not?
Then please tell me what you from just reading Luke 24 in context, from just the content, make out DIFFERENT?
Then I can ask you, my questions!
When last had the two disciples seen Jesus—before or after they crucified Him?
What was the last they saw had happened with Jesus?
That Pilate delivered Him over to the hordes?
These disciples saw Jesus crucified or being crucified or died?
Were they disappointed—expected they different—were they confused?
But were they certain that Jesus would be killed?
Would they have believed Jesus would rise again though?
Did they believe while they walked with Jesus?
Were they hopeful and happy because they knew He would rise again?
NO!
Why, no?
Because last they had seen Jesus He was delivered over to be crucified ---Right?
First thing next along came these women and astonished them …
Astonished them with news—with what they DID NOT KNOW?
News about WHAT, what they did not know?
About that Jesus was delivered over to be crucified?
No; because the disciples had seen that, themselves.
About that Jesus was crucified?
No; because they knew the governor’s orders would be executed for certain.
About that Jesus died on the cross?
No; that was irrelevant even to think, would it have taken days for Him to die. And the disciples knew that also.
Did the women bring the disciples news therefore, that Jesus’ body was buried?
Yes; it is undoubtedly implied because the women told them they were at the grave where they had seen angels.
Therefore, Did the disciples "THE THIRD DAY SINCE THESE THINGS HAD HAPPENED" know that Joseph had buried Jesus’ body?
No; the implication is no. Also crucified never got buried; it was Roman law.
Therefore, Did the disciples SEE Jesus being crucified, or die, or being buried?
If on the First Day of the week therefore was the third day since these thing had happened, of which things did they speak?
Of that which they have not witnessed themselves or could themselves have imagined or could themselves have hoped?
Or of that which they had witnessed themselves?
ALL the disciples knew was what they had seen themselves and what they had heard from the women earlier that day. By the time the day was far spent and the sun inclined low the two disciples WERE NON THE WISER. They not even know yet that Jesus had appeared to Mary Magdalene early at sunrise that very day.
How could they have believed Jesus resurrected? As little as could they know that Jesus resurrected.
But it was “deepest after midnight morning” double emphatically described with two words meaning the same time of night its “after-midnight-morning”, ‘orthros’, and night its “DEEP”, ‘bathos’—‘orthrou batheohs’, “Told the angels the women” the Good News to be believed,” HE LIVES!”
But believed the women?
They did not SEE Jesus, and they only told what they were told – no more than what they until then were told—were told and went and told the disciples; must have been near before sunrise.
Near before sunrise Jesus was risen already;
Near after midnight Jesus was risen already.
Near after sunset “on the First Day of the week dusk being early of darkness still John tells us Mary sees the stone cast away from the tomb”, and Jesus was risen already.
“In the end of the Sabbath Day —explained the angel to the women—, in the mid-afternoon towards the First Day of the week, Behold! there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending CAST AWAY THE STONE FROM THE GRAVE”, AND JESUS WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD.
The angel must have explained to the women about the angel of the Lord on the First Day of the week because he refers to "on the Sabbath TOWARDS the First Day".
I must change people's perception, to understand the perceived.
Because they don't see although they see.
Please tell me what you from just reading Luke 24 in context, from just the content. make out …
---It was the First Day of the week. Here was Jesus late afternoon that day, walking with two men on their way to Emmaus, and they explained to Jesus how certain women of their company who were at the grave very early that morning had told them that they had seen angels who said that Jesus was alive and not there anymore.
Now tell me what you make out of what the two men told Jesus, That while they believed Jesus was the promised Messiah, the last they had seen of Him, was when Pilate delivered Him over to the Jews to be crucified! To cap it all these women upset us with their story that they had seen angels who told them He was alive?! How can anyone believe their story?!
Tell me what you make out of all this?
Have I rendered the context and the content of Luke 24 truthfully?
Did I make a mistake somehow?
Have I told a lie or just a halve truth?
Sure there are other and more detail; but have I sketched a clear outline with true facts?
Have I or have I not?
Then please tell me what you from just reading Luke 24 in context, from just the content, make out DIFFERENT?
Then I can ask you, my questions!
When last had the two disciples seen Jesus—before or after they crucified Him?
What was the last they saw had happened with Jesus?
That Pilate delivered Him over to the hordes?
These disciples saw Jesus crucified or being crucified or died?
Were they disappointed—expected they different—were they confused?
But were they certain that Jesus would be killed?
Would they have believed Jesus would rise again though?
Did they believe while they walked with Jesus?
Were they hopeful and happy because they knew He would rise again?
NO!
Why, no?
Because last they had seen Jesus He was delivered over to be crucified ---Right?
First thing next along came these women and astonished them …
Astonished them with news—with what they DID NOT KNOW?
News about WHAT, what they did not know?
About that Jesus was delivered over to be crucified?
No; because the disciples had seen that, themselves.
About that Jesus was crucified?
No; because they knew the governor’s orders would be executed for certain.
About that Jesus died on the cross?
No; that was irrelevant even to think, would it have taken days for Him to die. And the disciples knew that also.
Did the women bring the disciples news therefore, that Jesus’ body was buried?
Yes; it is undoubtedly implied because the women told them they were at the grave where they had seen angels.
Therefore, Did the disciples "THE THIRD DAY SINCE THESE THINGS HAD HAPPENED" know that Joseph had buried Jesus’ body?
No; the implication is no. Also crucified never got buried; it was Roman law.
Therefore, Did the disciples SEE Jesus being crucified, or die, or being buried?
If on the First Day of the week therefore was the third day since these thing had happened, of which things did they speak?
Of that which they have not witnessed themselves or could themselves have imagined or could themselves have hoped?
Or of that which they had witnessed themselves?
ALL the disciples knew was what they had seen themselves and what they had heard from the women earlier that day. By the time the day was far spent and the sun inclined low the two disciples WERE NON THE WISER. They not even know yet that Jesus had appeared to Mary Magdalene early at sunrise that very day.
How could they have believed Jesus resurrected? As little as could they know that Jesus resurrected.
But it was “deepest after midnight morning” double emphatically described with two words meaning the same time of night its “after-midnight-morning”, ‘orthros’, and night its “DEEP”, ‘bathos’—‘orthrou batheohs’, “Told the angels the women” the Good News to be believed,” HE LIVES!”
But believed the women?
They did not SEE Jesus, and they only told what they were told – no more than what they until then were told—were told and went and told the disciples; must have been near before sunrise.
Near before sunrise Jesus was risen already;
Near after midnight Jesus was risen already.
Near after sunset “on the First Day of the week dusk being early of darkness still John tells us Mary sees the stone cast away from the tomb”, and Jesus was risen already.
“In the end of the Sabbath Day —explained the angel to the women—, in the mid-afternoon towards the First Day of the week, Behold! there was a great earthquake and the angel of the Lord from heaven descending CAST AWAY THE STONE FROM THE GRAVE”, AND JESUS WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD.
The angel must have explained to the women about the angel of the Lord on the First Day of the week because he refers to "on the Sabbath TOWARDS the First Day".
I must change people's perception, to understand the perceived.
Because they don't see although they see.
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Please tell me what you from just reading Luke 24 in context, from just the content. make out …
---It was the First Day of the week. Here was Jesus late afternoon that day, walking with two men on their way to Emmaus, and they explained to Jesus how certain women of their company who were at the grave very early that morning had told them that they had seen angels who said that Jesus was alive and not there anymore.
Now tell me what you make out of what the two men told Jesus, That while they believed Jesus was the promised Messiah, the last they had seen of Him, was when Pilate delivered Him over to the Jews to be crucified! To cap it all these women upset us with their story that they had seen angels who told them He was alive?! How can anyone believe their story?!
---It was the First Day of the week. Here was Jesus late afternoon that day, walking with two men on their way to Emmaus, and they explained to Jesus how certain women of their company who were at the grave very early that morning had told them that they had seen angels who said that Jesus was alive and not there anymore.
Now tell me what you make out of what the two men told Jesus, That while they believed Jesus was the promised Messiah, the last they had seen of Him, was when Pilate delivered Him over to the Jews to be crucified! To cap it all these women upset us with their story that they had seen angels who told them He was alive?! How can anyone believe their story?!
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
1. Verses 19-20 define "these things" referred to in verse 21 to be "what things" in verse 19 spelled out to their conclusion in verse 21 with crucifixion.
2. The words "were done" represent an Aorist completed action and thus again demands the completion of those "things" in verses 19-20 with the crucifixion.
3. The term "since" in verse 21 is the Greek term "apo" rather than "ek" which is important. The preposition "ek" would include the day of crucifixion whereas, the preposition "apo" would begin with the day after the crucifixion:
1st day "apo" begins Thursday evening at 6pm and ends Friday at 6pm
2nd day "apo" begins Friday 6pm to Saturday 6pm
3rd day "apo" begins Saturday 6 pm to Sunday 6pm
4. Hence, Sunday would from Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6pm would be the third day "since" or "apo" from the crucifixion day when these "things" were a completed action.
Hence, Christ rose between 5:30 to 6am Sunday morning just before sunrise during "prooi" or in the fourth watch between 3am and 6am Sunday morning.
1st day - in grave on Thursday 3pm to 6pm
1st night - Thursday 6pm to Friday 6am
2nd day - Friday 6am to Friday 6pm
2nd night - Friday 6pm to Saturday 6am
3rd day - Saturday 6 am to Saturday 6pm
3rd night - Saturday 6pm to Sunday 6am
Resurrection occurs during the "proii" or fourth watch of the night between 3 am and 6pm Sunday morning.
CONCLUSION: there is no contradiction between the chronology in Luke 24 as given in my exposition and this final chronology as the former begins the count "since" (apo) the crucifixion day or the day after (thursday 6pm to Sunday 6pm) while the latter refers to the promise of 3 days and 3 nights in the grave thus starting from the day He was placed in the grave (Thursday 3pm. to 6pm).
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You yourself, CONTRADICT precisely your points 1., 2. and 3.
More important, I asked, "what you make out of what the two men told Jesus?"
They told Him nothing of this : <<1st day "apo" begins Thursday>>! They told Jesus "TODAY -- the First Day of the week -- is the third day <"apo"> since".
Please do it over and give me the results beginning where the two men told Jesus : "TODAY -- the First Day of the week -- is the third day <"apo"> since" -- "since" Jesus was delivered and crucified?
I hope it is a reasonable request.
The crucifixion day began 6pm Wednesday night unto 6 pm Thursday. The first day "apo" from this cruxifixion day began at 6 pm. Thursday.
1st day "apo" 6pm Thursday to 6pm Friday
2nd day "apo" 6pm Friday to 6 pm Saturday
3rd day "apo" 6 pm Saturday to 6pm Sunday - 'this is the third day "apo" fromt he crucifixion day.
Archie the Preacher
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I've read this entire thread and I'm not sure of the intent.
The First Day of the week is Sunday, the day after the Sabbath.
After the Crucifixion and death of Jesus, on 'preparation day' when the Sabbath was just beginning (Luke 23:54) - which would be Friday evening, just getting on to sunset - Joseph of Arimathea put Jesus' body in the tomb with the women in attendance and knowing where the body was deposited.
Sunday morning, the women went to the tomb with the intent of doing a bit more 'preparation' on Jesus' body (Luke 24:1). He wasn't there (short version) (Luke 24:2-12).
Later that same day, Jesus 'met up' with two men (seemingly disciples) on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13). They didn't recognize Him - apparently He was somehow 'concealed' (Luke 34:15-16) - and they talked (Luke 24:17-24).
Jesus and the two men had a conversation in which Jesus showed them the prophetic history predicting the death and resurrection of the Messiah (Luke 24:25-27).
Is there a question?
The First Day of the week is Sunday, the day after the Sabbath.
After the Crucifixion and death of Jesus, on 'preparation day' when the Sabbath was just beginning (Luke 23:54) - which would be Friday evening, just getting on to sunset - Joseph of Arimathea put Jesus' body in the tomb with the women in attendance and knowing where the body was deposited.
Sunday morning, the women went to the tomb with the intent of doing a bit more 'preparation' on Jesus' body (Luke 24:1). He wasn't there (short version) (Luke 24:2-12).
Later that same day, Jesus 'met up' with two men (seemingly disciples) on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13). They didn't recognize Him - apparently He was somehow 'concealed' (Luke 34:15-16) - and they talked (Luke 24:17-24).
Jesus and the two men had a conversation in which Jesus showed them the prophetic history predicting the death and resurrection of the Messiah (Luke 24:25-27).
Is there a question?
First Question:
Where do you read,
<<After the Crucifixion and death of Jesus, on 'preparation day'>>?
Second Question:
Where do you read,
<<Sabbath was just beginning (Luke 23:54) - which would be Friday evening, just getting on to sunset - Joseph of Arimathea put Jesus' body in the tomb>>?
Note: It’s NOT in <<Luke 23:54>>
Third Question:
Who were <<the women in attendance and knowing where the body was deposited>>?
Question 4:
Who were <the women> who
<<Sunday morning …. went to the tomb with the intent of doing a bit more 'preparation' on Jesus' body (Luke 24:1)?