The Glorious "Gospel of Election"

I've never heard of the "Gospel of Election". But Election is indeed a glorious truth, and is indeed a "gospel" of sorts - being good news in that God has chosen to save a multitude of undeserving sinners from their own depraved natures, wills, and choices, which lead to their destruction; and there is no chance whatsoever that God will fail to gather in His elect from the four corners of the Earth. Hurray for God!!

 

Why don't you guys just quit trying to smear people? Calvinists don't believe in the gospel of election anymore than we non-Calvinists believe that we earn our salvation.

The question was asked about Falwell's tomb when is enough enough... when is trying to smear other believers of one stripe or another enough?

 

Luther was wrong about alot of issues, so quoting him means nothing.

What you call the Gospel of election is an inaccurate misrepresentation of what Calvinists believe. I am not a Calvinist, but if we are going to discuss the issue, it is neither helpful nor accurate to act like the Calvinists believe in another Gospel.

You're providing the term, you're providing the definition. But neither is accurate.

 

Thanks Tom . Coming from a non-Calvinist your comments add a lot of weight .

SP is honing his skills as a provocateur I guess .

 

I have not even read the op. I tend to read what Rippon has to say, along with quite a few others. As a matter of fact, there are only a few that I tend to avoid reading........ and sky is one of them. It seems that there is nothing he has to say that is of any importance. I wonder why that is?

 

Tom,

I must agree with Rippon. Thanks for displaying your objectivity on this issue. :thumbs:

 

To continue the "truth in advertising" theme, let's compare what skypair claims calvinists believe concerning election, with what a calvinist really believes concering election. Let's take a look at John MacArthur since we've been discussing him so much.

And so John MacArthur says that

The "trust" or "faith" that is exercised is in Jesus Christ, not in God's "election" of them to salvation.

peace to youraying:

 

No emotions here... it's a wonderful debating tactic you've employed. You give me the questions. You provide the "only" answers.

I reject the tactic.

 

My hope is in Jesus Christ, who He is and what He did. He is the object of our faith, as MacArthur repeatedly affirms, not our "election".

You would have us believe there are some who desire to be saved, but God is turning them back and condemning them to hell because they were not part of His "elect". Scripture rejects that notion. First, all have rejected God's revelation. There are none who are seeking for God.

Secondly, we cannot assume to know who is "elect" and who isn't, since that knowledge is privy only to God, Himself. We must only affirm what scripture testifies to. No one can come to the Father unless he is drawn, according to the kind intention of His will, and all that come will not be turned back.

The problem is only in your mind. You do not like the idea of the Sovereign God of the Universe deciding the fate of His creation, but instead would have their fate determined by their own fallen, marred, and enslaved wills.

Always trust in God's will, and not in man's will.

peace to youraying:

 

Therein lies the crux of skypair's problem.
He is revulsed by the idea that God can and would choose whom He wants, draw whom He wants, reject whom He wants, save whom He wants.

How dare God ?

 

...or are you repulsed in the manner by which God chooses, draws, rejects and saves?

 

No, I am very content with His way because my way is the way of corruption, His is the way of righteousness.
I know nothing, He knows everything.
In me dwelleth no good thing, in Him dwelleth all goodness.

 

I am glad it is my God choosing. Others seem to hate the idea.

 

Election

I am kinda in th middle between Calvinism and Arminianism(sp?)...if there is such a thing as being between the two. I do believe in "election", but I believe the "election" is when God starts "drawing" lost people towards Him. And the "election" is presented to all, but not all will accept His gift. When Jesus spoke to the chief priests, He told them if He hadn't spoken to them, they would have a cloak for their sins, but now that He had spoken to them, they had no cloak for their sins. Jesus came to His OWN, but His own received Him not. But, as many as did receive Him, gave He them power to become the sons of God. He did come to His own first....He told the apostles to first go to Jersusalem and around Israel first....not to the gentiles. He gave all of Israel the first chance to believe on Him and His works....not the gentiles.