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The GOP Senate Health Care Bill--Is this Really a Repeal of ObamaCare?

InTheLight

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I didn't see any threads discussing the Senate health care bill so figured I'd start one. Here is what I see as being good and bad about the bill.

The Good
  • Gets rid of the individual mandate
  • Gets rid of a bunch of taxes
  • Gets rid of funding for Planned Parenthood
  • Basically is Medicaid reform, which is much needed since ObamaCare changed it.
  • Keeps the pre-existing condition mandate--a voter favorite
  • Subsidies are based on income levels, not age


The Bad
  • Gets rid of the individual mandate--how to you keep insurance rates down without healthy people buying the insurance? Especially if you keep the pre-existing condition mandate?
  • Gets rid of a bunch of taxes--how do you pay for the subsidies?
  • Possibly leaves a back door for tax credits to be used to purchase abortions
  • Medicaid reform has been kicked down the road up to 12 years from now. Lots of opportunities for Dems to reverse the policies.
  • Keeps the pre-existing condition mandate--by far the biggest driver of rate increases
  • Subsidies are quite generous. There is a sharp subsidy benefit cut-off for the middle class.

So does this repeal and replace ObamaCare?

No.

ObamaCare is a system designed to give individuals access to subsidized health care coverage. It features a federal subsidy, based on income, for lower- and middle-income people to purchase health insurance. It requires health care insurers to sell to anyone regardless of pre-existing conditions. It requires all individuals to obtain health coverage or pay a penalty. It created government run health insurance exchanges where consumers could purchase individual market coverage.

Take out the one sentence that requires individuals to obtain health coverage or pay a penalty and the basic framework of ObamaCare is still intact in the GOP Senate bill.

Worse, the Senate voted to authorize cost sharing reduction payments (CSR's) to insurers through 2019 AND authorized retroactive back payments for any CSR payments they hadn't yet received. By authorizing these CSR payments the GOP is actually expanding ObamaCare. (CSR's are direct payments by the federal government to insurance companies to offset losses they may have by providing low-cost coverage to low income people under ObamaCare. CSR's were about $7 billion last year.)

It seems to me that the Senate plan (and the House) didn't repeal and replace ObamaCare, rather, they tweaked a few things here and there. There is no mechanism whatsoever in the Senate plan to address rising insurance premiums--they don't have the state opt-out waivers for pre-existing conditions that the House plan had, for example. And the payment of CSR's is just shifting taxpayer money to the insurance companies in a different way.

I don't know what was wrong with simply writing a one paragraph piece of legislation--"The Affordable Care Act is hereby repealed", reverting to the old free market system and starting over.
 

blessedwife318

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While I'm personally glad the mandate is gone (assuming it passes the Senate) this bill will speed up the death spiral and just puts us that much closer to single payer. It is not repeal, which we have been promised for 7+ years but just a replacement meaning the GOP will get to own all the problems of health care system.

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InTheLight

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While I'm personally glad the mandate is gone (assuming it passes the Senate) this bill will speed up the death spiral and just puts us that much closer to single payer. It is not repeal, which we have been promised for 7+ years but just a replacement meaning the GOP will get to own all the problems of health care system.

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Yep, agree. Except now when the system implodes even faster than ObamaCare would have, the GOP owns this.

The CSR payments really bugs me. These were payments that the Obama administration unilaterally implemented. Marco Rubio objected, there was a lawsuit that was filed and the CSR's were declared unconstitutional because only Congress can approve payments. This was the dagger in ObamaCare. This is why insurance companies were leaving the exchanges en masse. No more direct payments from the federal government to prop up their artificially low insurance rates on the exchanges. Now here comes the GOP Senate and they're going to authorize these payments? Even make back payments? Insane. And it goes to show you how much they really like ObamaCare, er, their own version of government subsidized health care, call it "ObamaCare Lite".
 

InTheLight

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Jonathan Gruber, the health economist famously known as an "architect" of Obamacare and a big supporter of the law, had an interesting twist on the bill. Gruber noted to CNN that the GOP measure actually retains some big parts of the ACA (like its insurance subsidies). From the Daily Beast's Lachlan Markay:

ACA architect Jonathan Gruber on the AHCA: "This is no longer an Obamacare repeal bill. That's good." https://t.co/vdwP2Ad3Sj
 

Crabtownboy

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TCassidy

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There is only one way out of this mess.

If we are going to have government subsidized health care of any sort there is only one way to do it and not bankrupt the country. Single Payer.

Let's just bite the political bullet and either have no government subsidies at all, or go to single payer.

That would eliminate the obscene profits the insurance companies are making, but would also probably encourage the growth of the health care bureaucracy to the point that it will eat up as much money as the insurance companies are currently taking in wind fall profits.

There is no easy fix to the problem.
 
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carpro

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Obamacare was, and is, a complete mess.

The GOP bill makes it worse.

We will still be saddled with a bad, dysfunctional system that fails to recognize what it truly takes to make any "health insurance" system work.
 

Reynolds

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Obamacare was, and is, a complete mess.

The GOP bill makes it worse.

We will still be saddled with a bad, dysfunctional system that fails to recognize what it truly takes to make any "health insurance" system work.
I don't think its worse, but its definitely not much better.
 
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