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The Heart Of The Gospel
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Silverhair
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Salvation is of the Lord why would anyone doubt that. Where the C/R's error is that they think they were chosen before creation and that faith is a work.
Price did well until he added the words "not potential or conditional, or based on anything we think, do or say.
Price did well until he added the words "not potential or conditional, or based on anything we think, do or say.
Is "the Gospel of Grace" supposed to be a replacement for or addition to the "gospel of Jesus Christ"?
Silverhair
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I do not get to caught up in what they call the
What I do know is that it is by the grace of God that we are justified through faith. Why Price calls it the gospel of grace I do not know.
Gospel does mean good news so I guess that you could say that justification is the good news, gospel, of our salvation.
For that you would have to speak to Price.
What I do know is that it is by the grace of God that we are justified through faith. Why Price calls it the gospel of grace I do not know.
Gospel does mean good news so I guess that you could say that justification is the good news, gospel, of our salvation.
KenH
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No.
KenH
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Perhaps because the apostle Paul called it that.
Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
(emphasis mine)
So if we reject Jesus, that doesn’t mean anything?
I think Price and I must use different Bibles. When “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved,” doesn’t mean conditional, something we think/ believe, I’d like to know how he believes without thinking. I’d like to know why we tell people to believe if it doesn’t matter.
Doctrines of grace is not much more than word games that give some people an excuse to not evangelize, make others comfortable living however they want, and remove personal responsibility from the sinner, all the while claiming that it does none of those things.
If you don’t agree with me don’t bother trying to change my mind. In your opinion, I was predetermined to believe this way and there is obviously nothing you can do to change that. Who can resist the will of God?
(Lots of sarcasm for your thoughts in that last paragraph)
I was just wondering because I have heard that before but growing up people usually used the "gospel" in a biblical sense (the gospel of Jesus Christ).
I guess we could speak of the gospel of grace, the gospel of justification, the gospel of sanctification, the gospel that tomorrow starts my 7 days off
, etc. because as you point out the word means "good news". But that seems to diminish the gospel in a way (to my ears anyway) because the Bible uses "gospel" to refer to the gospel of Christ.
I am not denying that salvation is by grace. But I am questioning the term as it seems to be "another gospel" in a way. It'd be like me talking about the gospel of the Trinity to explain how the Father sent His Son, the gospel of Christ, and the work of the Spirit in our lives. It would be true, but it is also a departure from the gospel of Christ.
Buy hey, I am one of those guys who loves cheesecake but want it plain (I want the pure thing, no additions and definitely no subtractions....I want to taste the cheesecake).
I always thought Paul was speaking of the gospel of the grace of God (the gospel of Christ being the grace of God) rather than "the gospel of grace".
I never considered Paul to be referring to a different (but true) "gospel".
Interesting. I like that we get to see different ways of viewing the same verses from one another.
Dave G
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IMO, posts like this belong here as well, because a good number of "Baptists" also hold to these truths, Ben.
Many years ago there was something called the "London Baptist Confession", in which roughly half to two thirds of all Baptists ( at the time ) in the London area ( and in all of England ) held to what is called "the TULIP".
In America, approximately half of all Baptists ( up until recent times, say the last 100 to 150 years or so ) also held to them.
Nowadays only about 1/10th do, but they are still around.
Some are known as "Primitive Baptists", "Hardshell Baptists", "Old Regular Baptists", Sovereign Grace Baptists", "Reformed Baptists" and so forth.
For now, I see no reason to relegate discussion ( and declaration ) of historic Baptist doctrine to the "CvA" section, unless of course the Admins and board owner decide that it's best.
May God bless you.
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Probably.
But what Baptists call "Calvinism" is neo-Calvinism (not historic Calvinism).
What they call "the Doctrines of Grace" is just the philosophy behind Bogerman's (and others) responce to the Five Articles. A Baptist will reject, for example, the First Doctrine of Grace (the one on divine election) because (at a minimum) of the 17th article. But they like the overall philosophy.
Silverhair
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Problem is that when you read all that Price wrote it does not show much grace but rather the C/R determinism. The error of calling calling faith a work, and to say that salvation is not potential or conditional, or based on anything we think, do or say denies what the bible tells us.
So the gospel of the grace of God that Paul referred to and what Price refers as to are quite different.
So the question stands "Why Price calls it the gospel of grace I do not know."
KenH
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Besides the fact that the "gospel of grace" is what it is called in the Bible as previously shown, there is also the fact that salvation is 100% the work of God and 0% the work of man.
Acts Chapter 16
31 | And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house. |
You and every other free-willer I know blithely, without thought, always applies an eternal sense to 'sozo' - saved.
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt 'go to heaven', thou and thy house
Or....
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be 'saved from hell', thou and thy house.
Shallow and hasty.
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Acts Chapter 16
14 | And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, one that worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened to give heed unto the things which were spoken by Paul. |
15 | And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us. |
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Silverhair
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Actually Paul said " to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God" which is not what price said in his article which actually denies God's grace and falls back to the C/R determinism. So i effect he is promoting another gospel which is really not the gospel at all.
Only God saves but He only saves those that freely believe in Him.
You are letting your calvinism get in the way of understanding the word of God.
I didn’t say anything blithely and I didn’t say anything about heaven or hell.
I said that belief is directly related to thought. I don’t know what you are talking about.
What do you believe that you have never thought about?
You believe that you were saved without knowing anything?
Why does faith come by hearing and hearing by the Word of God? Why do you think you are saved before faith when you are told that you are saved by faith?
You and every other free-willer I know blithely, without thought, always applies an eternal sense to 'sozo' - saved.
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt 'go to heaven', thou and thy house
Or....
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be 'saved from hell', thou and thy house.
If this is incorrect, then please by all means explain to me what 'saved' means to you.
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