The History of the Church

[Agnus_Dei]

I've started reading what seems to be a very interesting book. The books title: The History of the Church which is a study of Church History by Eusebius, commonly referred to as The Father of Ecclesiastical History which was complied in 324/5 AD. This work is a more detailed study from his previous works he complied entitled the Chronological Tables or the Chronicle.

Has anyone had to opportunity to read this particular work of Eusebius?


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[Eliyahu]

I've started reading what seems to be a very interesting book. The books title: The History of the Church which is a study of Church History by Eusebius, commonly referred to as The Father of Ecclesiastical History which was complied in 324/5 AD. This work is a more detailed study from his previous works he complied entitled the Chronological Tables or the Chronicle.

Has anyone had to opportunity to read this particular work of Eusebius?

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I would rather recommend you to read this short history since you may read enough about the history from RCC view.


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[Agnus_Dei]

I would rather recommend you to read this short history since you may read enough about the history from RCC view.


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Eliyahu: Thanks for the link, but who do you think would’ve understood early Church History better…Eusebius in 324 AD or a Baptist pastor some 1,671 years removed?

Furthermore, you claim that the source is from a Roman Catholic view; fact is in 324 AD there was no ‘Roman’ Catholic Church, like we know today. In 324, the Church was still a united Catholic (Universal) Church…meaning the Great Schism hadn’t yet occurred.

In addition, being raised a IFB, I’m well aware of these sects of the early Church, only now I know the rest of the story


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[Eliyahu]

Eliyahu: Thanks for the link, but who do you think would’ve understood early Church History better…Eusebius in 324 AD or a Baptist pastor some 1,671 years removed?

Furthermore, you claim that the source is from a Roman Catholic view; fact is in 324 AD there was no ‘Roman’ Catholic Church, like we know today. In 324, the Church was still a united Catholic (Universal) Church…meaning the Great Schism hadn’t yet occurred.

In addition, being raised a IFB, I’m well aware of these sects of the early Church, only now I know the rest of the story


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Eusebius could have been the starting point of all the perversion. The Older the Better? Then what about the Bible itself? All the writers are after the Bible then. You don't have to look at the history.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Early history...no where will you find the early believers called catholic. They were called Christians.

You were raised IFB and are now a catholic. I was raised catholic and am now IFB. I think I chose the better way... :jesus:

 

[Darron Steele]

Agnus_Dei: Eusebius cannot be considered a Roman Catholic source, as Roman Catholicism did not exist yet. At that time, the bishop of Rome stood with the other metropolitan bishops as `first among equals.'

Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History is considered a classic, and his work has been gleaned for valuable insights by church historians. Much of the work does seem rather fanciful, and/or relays legends current in the fourth century that were fanciful. These somewhat diminish the value of the work, but not enough to recommend against you reading it.

If you are willing to take the time to read that work, I doff the proverbial hat to you. It is a worthy intellectual task, and you will be smarter for it.

 

[Ed Edwards]

It is a good read.
If I can find my copy,
if I can find some time,
then I might talk about what is in it.

I like the part where Eusebius tells about
a group of 'Christians' rounded up to make
homage to the emperor claimant. About
half a dozen made homage to the wanna-be-emperor.
They were killed along with the Christians
for the crime of hanging out with Christians.

Are you sure you want to continue 'hanging out' on
BB (Baptist Board)?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Ah, found it THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH
(Barns & Noble Books, 1965) by Eusebius
(English Translation by G.A. Wiliamson).

Is there an on-line version?
(Cuting & Pasting is so much easier than
typing :godisgood:

 

[Darron Steele]

Books 6-10 are available from links here:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/eusebius/eusehe.html .

 

[Doubting Thomas]

I've started reading what seems to be a very interesting book. The books title: The History of the Church which is a study of Church History by Eusebius, commonly referred to as The Father of Ecclesiastical History which was complied in 324/5 AD. This work is a more detailed study from his previous works he complied entitled the Chronological Tables or the Chronicle.

Has anyone had to opportunity to read this particular work of Eusebius?


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[surfacing]
Yeah, I read it a year ago. I have the copy edited by Paul Maier. It's a very good read, although slow in certain spots. It has a lot of good information on the early church, particularly picking up where The ACTS of the APOSTLES left off. The accounts of the martyrdoms are inspiring...and convicting.

I Am Blessed 16: Early history...no where will you find the early believers called catholic. They were called Christians.

You must not have read a lot of primary documents from early history then. The letters of Ignatius written at the beginning of the second century reveal that the word "catholic" was already in currency as a description of the Church maintaining the "whole faith" (which is what "catholic" originally meant--"according to the whole") in distinction to heretics such as Judaizers and Gnostics who deviated from the Apostolic faith. You can find these letters in any good copy of THE APOSTOLIC FATHERS.

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[Agnus_Dei]

Are you sure you want to continue 'hanging out' on
BB (Baptist Board)?

As long as the BB will have me...but I'm sure as a Catholic sympathizer, I'll be banned soon enough, Christ said it wouldn't be easy following Him...

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[Agnus_Dei]

You were raised IFB and are now a catholic.

Technically, I'm still IFB (inactive role), but I attended a Methodist Church and have yet to transfer membership, but I'm still studying Roman Catholicism and Greek Orthodoxy...

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[dan e.]

Early history...no where will you find the early believers called catholic. They were called Christians.

I may be mistaken....but the earliest you can go they weren't called Christians...but followers of the Way. catholic isn't a bad term. RCC is different than the term catholic (notice the little "c").

 

[Ed Edwards]

Books 6-10 are available from links here:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/texts/eusebius/eusehe.html .

Ah, that starts with Origen of Alexandria and ends
at the end of the book: i.e. Eusebius and the rise of
Constintine as sole emperor.

 

[CarpentersApprentice]

I have read it and I think a fair statement of it's value is found here:

"The value of the work does not lie in its literary merit, but in the wealth of the materials which it furnishes for a knowledge of the early church....

"...he was not only diligent in gathering material, but also far more thorough-going than most writers of antiquity in discriminating between trustworthy and untrustworthy reports, frank in acknowledging his ignorance, scrupulous in indicating his authorities in doubtful cases, less credulous than most of his contemporaries, and unfailingly honest...

"...in spite of its defects the Church History is a monumental work..."

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Eusebius_of_Caesarea

CA

 

[Agnus_Dei]

Thanks for eveyone's input. I have a meeting with my pastor this Monday evening. He's very Orthodox in his sermons and we're going to discuss the early Apostolic Church and he's also read this book and is currently re-reading it along with a lot of the early Apostolic Church Fathers, I'm excited...As I read it I may post some thoughts to kick around...

Blessings
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[Bro. James]

History of the Church

"It is no wonder, Satan himself has become an angel of light."

"The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears."

"Marvel not what I say unto you, you must be born again to enter the kingdom of God."

Choose wisely,

Bro. James