The Idea Of Free Will

The context of John chapter one is not the will in whoever chooses to be saved. That is a misunderstanding of that passage and use of the word "will" in vs.13. When you look at verse 12 it shows that to them that believe He gave the power to become the sons of God. It is clarified in John ch 3 but should be understood anyway in light of how the Jews understood their own salvation. They tied their salvation in being a Jew and following the law. It is the following the law idea that sets up the context of "will"/ John was not addressing "synergists" or semi-palagians" in his gospel.

 

Let me explain it this way. I do not deny that it is by the will of God that we are saved. It is God's will to save those who believe in Him. It is not His will to save those who do not believe in Him, and force them to believe afterwards. If a man would dare not to believe the man has chosen and He will not be saved because he does not believe. God does not want those who do not believe. There is not one scripture that states that God forces Salvation on anyone who does not believe. Calvinist claim that they were saved with out belief in Christ and made to believe afterwards this is not true.
MB

 

[QUOTE="MB, post: 2535519, member: 6404"There is not one scripture that states that God forces Salvation on anyone who does not believe.
MB[/QUOTE]

John the Baptist is a noteworthy exception. It could be argued that Saul of Tarsus is another. And Mary the mother of Jesus.

But, yes, you're correct.

 

#6

 

Settle down...

I used #6, "it's a mystery" to describe my feeling as to why God chose to save these people without them believing first. It's the only scriptural examples of it happening. Otherwise there is:

John 20:31 but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.

Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

I Cor. 1:21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

 

John the Baptist is a noteworthy exception. It could be argued that Saul of Tarsus is another. And Mary the mother of Jesus.

But, yes, you're correct.[/QUOTE]


no, they were obedient, some later than others, like Jonah. A purpose or specif calling is an opportunity to service, not predestination to salvation.

 

yes, David, it is called it is called FREE WILL or Choice to accept the free Gift of Salvation, freely given to all who believe on the Name (authority) of Jesus

 

John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb. Are you saying when he was a fetus he was a believer?

Who is asserting that scripture causes everyone to believe? (Do I really have to press #4?)

Anyone who believes does so because they have heard the Gospel.
Not everyone that hears the Gospel will believe.

 

You made a false statement.. This below is false.
"The idea that it is the will of man that chooses whether or not to be saved is false."

Then explain this verse;
Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
I'll bet you can't show just one verse that supports God saving men with out faith.
MB

 

no , they do not have the propensity, the aptitude to do right. We choose to sin, we continue in sin it makes it harder not to sin

We choose God , the easier it is to rebuff temptation and choose good

 

What did I write? ... We have choice and it is easier to continue in that choice bad or good. If we choose sin continuously we are probably gonna continue in sin,, We choose good or God then it more to choose good, it is maturity.

If there is no freedom of choice then we say God causes sin,, no it is our disobedience

 

I asked you first. What's the matter can't you prove what you are saying?