The immersion in the Holy Spirit.

[37818]

There are to main views among Baptists regarding the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
1. That the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is the initial recieving of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11.
2. That the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an additional endowment of power God gives believers for ministry. Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

The point of disagreement. Re: John 14:17 and John 16:7.
1. The giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, Acts of the Apostles 2:4.
2. That the giving of the Holy Spirit was done at John 20:21-23.
Acts of the Apostles 1:2.

 

[Van]

Yes, the concept of our spiritual baptism is held differently by many individuals in the body of Christ. My view:

Both our being baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3) and our being sealed in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30) combined is our baptism "with the Holy Spirit." The spiritual transfer from the realm of darkness into Christ is also referred to as "sanctification by the Holy Spirit" or the "sanctify work of the Spirit" and refers to our being set apart in Christ.
"Called" is also sometimes used to refer change in spiritual location, as in 1 Corinthians 1:24. Being "given" to Christ (John 6:37) also refers to this spiritual transfer into Christ.

The result of this "spiritual baptism" is that we are "in Christ" and Christ is "in us." (John 14:20)

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, the concept of our spiritual baptism is held differently by many individuals in the body of Christ. My view:

Both our being baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3) and our being sealed in Christ (2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30) combined is our baptism "with the Holy Spirit." The spiritual transfer from the realm of darkness into Christ is also referred to as "sanctification by the Holy Spirit" or the "sanctify work of the Spirit" and refers to our being set apart in Christ.
"Called" is also sometimes used to refer change in spiritual location, as in 1 Corinthians 1:24. Being "given" to Christ (John 6:37) also refers to this spiritual transfer into Christ.

The result of this "spiritual baptism" is that we are "in Christ" and Christ is "in us." (John 14:20)

Baptism of the Holy Ghost is that one time act done by Him once saved, as we are placed into Christ and into his Body!

 

[1689Dave]

There are to main views among Baptists regarding the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
1. That the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is the initial recieving of the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 3:11.
2. That the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an additional endowment of power God gives believers for ministry. Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

The point of disagreement. Re: John 14:17 and John 16:7.
1. The giving of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, Acts of the Apostles 2:4.
2. That the giving of the Holy Spirit was done at John 20:21-23.
Acts of the Apostles 1:2.

In refuting Pentecostalism I developed a study that proves only the Apostles had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. But all believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and experience the fulness through repentance. The Baptism included the Charismatic gifts only the Apostles had to prove their calling. And those they laid hands on. Stephen, Philip, and the Ephesians, etc. The gifts ended in the epistles and expired completely when John died.

 

[SavedByGrace]

In refuting Pentecostalism I developed a study that proves only the Apostles had the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. But all believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and experience the fulness through repentance. The Baptism included the Charismatic gifts only the Apostles had to prove their calling. And those they laid hands on. Stephen, Philip, and the Ephesians, etc. The gifts ended in the epistles and expired completely when John died.

Why don't you publish your study here

 

[agedman]

I’m not certain what the folks on the BB consider “immersion in the Holy Spirit” entails, for in the Scripture does it not use the words “be filled?”

Being filled is vastly different then being submerged. One describes what is taking place from with, the other would be what is outside the corrupt body.

Being filled is not a one time event, but a continuous cleaning and submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are those who would attach some deeper charisma to this, but such is not Scripture authorized.


How ever, I don’t perceive the gift of languages has ceased, for even on this board we have those who have such a gift and others who through long struggle have worked to acquire a slight working knowledge of just one language.


Nor do I find prophecy has been discarded, for there are those wise in the understanding of the Spirit of God that can grapple with the mysteries of Scripture and present the wonders of God for our understanding. Some can barely comprehend the shallow, how little they can do but flounder in the heights, depths, and expanse of God’s wonderful Word.


When then will such gifts cease?

Unlike some, I do not see the gifts limited to a period of time.

Rather, when my Savior has established the kingdom, there is no need for such gifts.

Then we will know as we are known. Then we will see Him face to face.

It is that “perfect,” that time, on earth when no sin goes without immediate punishment, that time when the King rules this earth and does the will of the Father as that ruler. “When that which is perfect comes” (the millennial kingdom) then those things which are granted to believers for the Father to use as He chooses as gifts will cease.

Until then, the use of Languages learned is gifted, and not all have such gift. The use of prophecy will continue to be expressed as Godly believers who are gifted pastors, teachers, evangelists, … are used of God to deliver the message of God to all people.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Speaking about the Day of Pentecost in Luke 24:49, Jesus says:

"And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high"

Here Jesus speaks of this receiving of the Holy Spirit, as "ἐνδύσησθε ⸂ἐξ ὕψους δύναμιν", "clothed with power from on high", like the "putting on of a garment". It is clear that the Holy Spirit was to bring "power", when He came upon the Disciples, where "δύναμις" is used for "inherent power", giving the "ability" to do things.

In Acts chapter 1, where Jesus again refers to Day of Pentecost, He says,

"for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” (verse 5)

Here Jesus speaks of this Coming of the Holy Sprit, as a "baptism". Where "βαπτίζω", is used in the sense of, "to immerge, submerge", also, "to overwhelm"

When the Day of Pentecost came, we read of the Holy Spirit,

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4)

Here we have yet another term used for the same event, "πίμπλημι", which is, "to be full", which is the same as "to immerge, submerge".

That this is not meant to be a one-off thing, is clear from Acts 4:31,

"And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness"

The Disciples were again "filled" with the Holy Spirit, Who enabled them "to speak the word of God with boldness"

In Epsheians 5:18, Paul says,

"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit"

Here we have "πληροῦσθε", which is the present, passive, "continue to be filled"