The Impeccability of Christ

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: 1. So the sin of one man has really affected his posterity!

HP: Who in the world has ever stated or implied that Adam’s sin has not affected the whole world? Certainly not I.

TCG: 2. That asking of that question is to only prove what Paul was saying all along about the sin of the one man Adam impacting his posterity.

HP: Impacting ones posterity and buying into the federal headship scheme are two completely different notions all together.

 

[TCGreek]

HP: Who in the world has ever stated or implied that Adam’s sin has not affected the whole world? Certainly not I.



HP: Impacting ones posterity and buying into the federal headship scheme are two completely different notions all together.

1. "When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned" (NLT).

2. Everyone sinned in Adam, and for the life of me, I cannot see why that is so difficult to grasp, when it is plain from the text.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: Everyone sinned in Adam, and for the life of me, I cannot see why that is so difficult to grasp, when it is plain from the text.

HP: In between what two lines or words do you find the penumbral idea of ‘all sinning in Adam?’

What should be clear is that the text emphatically states why death passed upon all men, ‘because all have sinned.’ The text simply states absolutely nothing about all sinning in Adam.’

 

[charles_creech78]

Rom 5:13 For vntill the Law sinne was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no Law.
Rom 5:14 Neuertheles, death reigned from Adam to Moses, euen ouer them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.What figure was him to come. Jesus Christ and note in the scripture even over them that HAD NOT SINNED. Rom 5:19 For as by one mans disobedience( ADAMS)many were made sinners: so by the obedience of one, (JESUS CHRIST) shall many bee made righteous. What was Christ OBEDIENT TO? The law and you can only become a sinner by braking the law. The law was given by moses but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.Rom 5:20 Moreouer, the Lawe entred, that the offence might abound: but where sinne abounded, GRACE did much more abound. Where did Grace come from again? Jesus Christ

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

CC:Rom 5:14 Neuertheles, death reigned from Adam to Moses, euen ouer them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

HP: As I read your post, something came to mind. How could have all sinned in Adam with not being guilty or having committed the sins he committed? If whatever he was guilty for now we are guilty of, we would of necessity have to have the same sins to our account as he did to his. If Adam’s sin(s) were passed to us then we would be guilty of those very sins. Scripture states that some had in fact NOT sinned after the similitude of Adam’s sin. If we are guilty of Adam’s sin, how could it be said that we have NOT sinned as Adam did?

 

[charles_creech78]

HP: As I read your post, something came to mind. How could have all sinned in Adam with not being guilty or having committed the sins he committed? If whatever he was guilty for now we are guilty of, we would of necessity have to have the same sins to our account as he did to his. If Adam’s sin(s) were passed to us then we would be guilty of those very sins. Scripture states that some had in fact NOT sinned after the similitude of Adam’s sin. If we are guilty of Adam’s sin, how could it be said that we have NOT sinned as Adam did?

death reigned from Adam to Moses, Because of Adams transgretion we shall all die a natrual death. If you say that we sin because of Adams trangration then you are saying Christ is a sinner. Christ died a natrual death because of Adam transgration. We have all sinned not because of Adam transgration but because of ours. We came to know the truth about good and evil just like Adam did . He did something God told him not to do. Did you do something God told you not to do. How did Adam transgress? By doing something God told him not to do. It is all the same in Gods eyes. The point is we all did things that God told us not to do and we did it anyway. At one point in are life we did not have the knowledge of what good and evil was and then we sinned and we knew what it was. Our eyes where open just like adams was. We became naked before God. We shall all die of the transgretion of adam and we shall all live by Christ Jesus the Lord. The law came by Moses and where there is no law sin not imputed. Sin was in the world though. But not imputed because the law was not given yet.

 

[TCGreek]

HP: In between what two lines or words do you find the penumbral idea of ‘all sinning in Adam?’

What should be clear is that the text emphatically states why death passed upon all men, ‘because all have sinned.’ The text simply states absolutely nothing about all sinning in Adam.’

Yet, babies in infancy and even at birth. What sins have they committed? I know you gave some other reason before, but it seems like you're saying something different now.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: Yet, babies in infancy and even at birth. What sins have they committed?

HP: It is simply absurd to believe they have committed any sins or are guilty of sin at birth. Sin is the transgression of the law. Babies are not subject to the law, nor can they be. ‘Where there is no law, sin is not imputed.’

 

[TCGreek]

True, they have not committed any sin, but Why then do they die at birth?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: True, they have not committed any sin, but Why then do they die at birth?

HP: Physical depravity would be the most likely cause of death. Why would some not see death at birth?

 

[TCGreek]

HP: Physical depravity would be the most likely cause of death. Why would some not see death at birth?

So are saying that the sin of Adam affected all of us physically?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: So are saying that the sin of Adam affected all of us physically?

HP: Look around you. Would not you agree?

 

[TCGreek]

What Scripture do you based that on, man's physical depravity?

 

[billwald]

It is technically philosophically (pragmatically?) impossible for a dictator to "sin." By definition, anything Jesus did would be acceptable - - - if Jesus is God.

Second, there would be no logical reason for jesus to sin. Could he have starved by refusing to turn rocks into bread? What would be the purpose? Could he not create carbs in his stomach from nothing?

Third, don't we we sin because of . . . curiosity? For example? Can I get that girl into bread and what would it be like? Didn't Jesus know what it would be like before the creation of the universe?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: What Scripture do you based that on, man's physical depravity?

HP: If it takes a Scripture for you to see that man is physically depraved as a direct result of sin, I would say you are blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other. Some things are simply witnessed by the abilities God grants to man and their testimony is clear and undeniable. Are you saying that man is not physically depraved by sin? I would certainly hope not.

 

[TCGreek]

HP: If it takes a Scripture for you to see that man is physically depraved as a direct result of sin, I would say you are blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other. Some things are simply witnessed by the abilities God grants to man and their testimony is clear and undeniable. Are you saying that man is not physically depraved by sin? I would certainly hope not.

Then you ought to be able to produce Scripture.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG, are you saying that man is not physically depraved by sin?

 

[TCGreek]

TCG, are you saying that man is not physically depraved by sin?

I'm asking you for Scripture. Notice that the questions are not the same.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

TCG: I'm asking you for Scripture. Notice that the questions are not the same.

HP:I have tried to answer every question you have posed to my knowlwdge. Why not answer some of mine as we go along. It makes for a far more interesting discussion.

 

[TCGreek]

HP:I have tried to answer every question you have posed to my knowlwdge. Why not answer some of mine as we go along. It makes for a far more interesting discussion.

Just one Scripture that points to man physical depravity because of sin. That is all!