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The Inconvenient Truth About the Democratic Party
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It's always worth repeating.
Democrats have tried to rewrite their history for decades...and have been pretty successful.
Jesse Jackson is his own caricature and is hardly deserving of the 'Rev.' title.
You left out Andrew Jackson who sent the Cherokee and other Eastern Tribes on the Trail of Tears in defiance of a Supreme Court decision against him. "John Marshall made his decision. Now, let him enforce it."
You left out Nixon's Southern Policy whereby the GOP took over the South with racist attractions that brought southern voters into the GOP camp. This is the modern inconvenient truth concerning the GOP.
First, an introduction and then Atwater's words:
It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy
First, an introduction and then Atwater's words:
It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
Exclusive: Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy
I am trying to remember his name. I met him at a SCV gathering several years ago.
Nope, though as you point out the GOP's southern strategy date from the late 60s-early 70s. While the Democrats' dates from 1830.
Historically that is correct. However, the parties have switched sides. As Lyndon Johnson said when the Civil Rights bill past, "We have lost the South for a generation". He was wrong. With that passage they lost the South for generations. Nixon took advantage of this as has the GOP. Modern history puts the KKK, white supremacists and other racist groups in the GOP camp and it is the GOP camp.
That is an inconvenient modern truth for the GOP.
Honest question. Do you guys think today's KKK are a bunch of liberals who voted for Hillary? How about Obama? John Kerry?
What exactly are we supposed to do with this stupid thread? Can we get real here?
What exactly are we supposed to do with this stupid thread? Can we get real here?
I agree. Lincoln and the GOP in his times represented liberal positions as did one of my favorite presidents, Teddy Roosevelt, who founded the National Parks system. Now the Republican party wants to allow drilling for oil on national park lands when we don't need to do that anymore. America is already a net exporter of oil. This kind of activity would do great damage to what's been called the "Jewels of America."
I think they voted GOP if they voted at all. I do not believe the KKK is either liberal nor conservative. Their agenda is white purity and white supremacy.
Trump with his vitriol speeches made it safe for them to come out of their closet and this encouraged other racists in our society to speak in ways that we had not heard for years. I am sorry to find out that racism is much more alive and well in our society than I had thought.
I told this to a black friend. She said, "Well of course you thought things had improved. But we blacks knew better." [She does not like the term African-American unless that person was born in Africa and lives here now ... like my cardiologist.]
The Real Story of the Un-Solid South
At the center of the Southern Strategy myth is the idea that Republicans used the race card to seduce Democratic voters in the South into leaving their natural partisan home. The truth, as Trende convincingly demonstrates, is the opposite: the growth of GOP support among white Southerners was steady and mostly gradual from 1928 to 2010, and was a natural outgrowth of the fact that white Southerners were ideologically much more compatible with the national Republican agenda and coalition than with the national Democratic agenda and coalition. What retarded the Southern switch from the Democrats to the GOP was a combination of party loyalties dating back to Reconstruction and the Democrats’ use of racial issues. In other words, if you take race out of the picture, it’s likely that white Southerners would have switched parties earlier and in greater numbers. The real “Southern Strategy” was the one pursued by the Democrats, especially under FDR, to keep conservative white Southerners in a liberal party.
The Southern Strategy Myth and the Lost Majority
At the center of the Southern Strategy myth is the idea that Republicans used the race card to seduce Democratic voters in the South into leaving their natural partisan home. The truth, as Trende convincingly demonstrates, is the opposite: the growth of GOP support among white Southerners was steady and mostly gradual from 1928 to 2010, and was a natural outgrowth of the fact that white Southerners were ideologically much more compatible with the national Republican agenda and coalition than with the national Democratic agenda and coalition. What retarded the Southern switch from the Democrats to the GOP was a combination of party loyalties dating back to Reconstruction and the Democrats’ use of racial issues. In other words, if you take race out of the picture, it’s likely that white Southerners would have switched parties earlier and in greater numbers. The real “Southern Strategy” was the one pursued by the Democrats, especially under FDR, to keep conservative white Southerners in a liberal party.
The Southern Strategy Myth and the Lost Majority
The Nixon Southern Strategy is a very inconvenient truth that Rev. and others have tried to deny before. Of course you can find articles supporting his denial. There is nothing new about this type of fake news. After all within hours of the shooting of Steve Scalise there were articled posted about fake news. I understand why Rev. and others are so discomforted by Nixon, but the truth is there. Nixon created it and it was much more successful than he imagined it could be.
Keep denying fellow ... but it won't change the truth. The GOP has become the party of racists and others who are not racist, but fooled.
The article Rev. quoted simply ignores current history and dwells on the past.
Keep denying fellow ... but it won't change the truth. The GOP has become the party of racists and others who are not racist, but fooled.
The article Rev. quoted simply ignores current history and dwells on the past.
The more 'famous' than usual election of 1948 changed a lot of things, too. When the democrats at their convention voted for a civil rights plank, inspired by humphrey and his speech about "getting out of the dark shadow of states' rights and into the bright sunshine of human rights," there was a southern walkout, and 4 states named strom Thurmond as the Democratic Party candidate. Meanwhile, Truman rode a bunch of trains and came from well behind to defeat Dewey, prompting the classic picture. This proved that a party (namely democrat) could win a national election without carrying the South. So the door was open to begin ignoring southern white voters by the democrats, and when someone is ignored, he goes somewhere else.
In Texas, the "German country" west of a line from Austin to San Antonio, has been Republican since before the Civil War, and it remains so. There are probably other spots in the south which have been Republican that long. To insinuate they chose to turn into subtle racists in the decades following WWII is an insult to them.
In Texas, the "German country" west of a line from Austin to San Antonio, has been Republican since before the Civil War, and it remains so. There are probably other spots in the south which have been Republican that long. To insinuate they chose to turn into subtle racists in the decades following WWII is an insult to them.
CTB, I'm a Republican and I'm not a racist. I'm a Westerner and a native San Franciscan. San Francisco was a Union town back in the Day. However, today, my choices are either a Republican or a Nancy Pelosi clone. My Congressman for many years was the late Tom Lantos.
That's the narrative, but it's a lie.
Democrats still have blacks enslaved. Money for votes.
I would never say that all Republicans are racists, but that does not negate the success of Nixon's use of race in his Southern Policy to attract racists. Are there racists in the Democratic, yes there are. But they are far fewer in number than in the GOP and they are Democrats for reasons that negate their feelings on race.
I have black friends who say that we white people do not understand how racist our country is ... that we have no idea what it is like to be black and live here. I am sure that is correct. I'll give you an example from my life, in another culture that illustrates this.
I have been fortunate to have lived in and worked in China several times for varying lengths of time. Six months is the longest at any one time. I was also fortunate in being able to travel around China, mostly by train. When passing a peasant village I would try to imagine what it was like to have been born and grew up there. I realized that was impossible. I also realized it was impossible for those born there to have any conception of what it was like to be born and grow up where I did in rural Virginia ... the Shenandoah Valley.